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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 09 Aug 20 7.40pm |
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Meanwhile in Sweden, as we argue and fvck the country that bit more every week.
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cryrst  The garden of England 09 Aug 20 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Definitely and I am really amazed that some people can be back at work like Johnson and be seemingly better. A routine virus can knock you out for months, in my case over a year, and there is no treatment or sympathy. How these people have undamaged lungs I really don't know. You said it. Seemingly better. Maybe there is a reason that bojo doesnt appear to give a s*** atm.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Aug 20 10.33pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Meanwhile in Sweden, as we argue and fvck the country that bit more every week. As trusting anything written in the Daily Mail is more than a little risky I am surprised to see you doing it! As the article says itself Sweden has had one of the highest death rates in the world. Logically that means, unless it's health service is cr*p, it must also have one of the highest levels of infection. In fact it has a great health service so again logically it must have an even higher number of infections, and those who have recovered, than average. The article then trumpets the idea that this has resulted in Stockholm being close to herd immunity as if this is some kind of triumph. Although widely believed herd immunity is no answer, unless and until it is created by an effective vaccine. Read this for the argument against herd immunity being a panacea:- [Link] In the meantime, as mentioned by other posters, the long term complications from a C19 infection are only now becoming obvious and are still far from fully understood. If a population has been widely infected and consequently suffers long term health implications it is only possible to conjecture what the economic impact will ultimately turn out to be. All that can be said with any certainty is that Sweden has adopted a different strategy. Whether it ultimately proves to be more effective than others will take many years, possibly decades, to discover. The jury will be out for a long time. Those rushing to praise Sweden and condemn our own response are deluding themselves. They might be proven right but what is certain is that right now no-one knows. Personally I much prefer being cautious and enabling us to gain knowledge and familiarise ourselves with the new ways of behaving before taking steps we might later regret. Economies can recover. If you die, you don't.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Aug 20 11.13pm |
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I could’ve pulled a positive piece on written by many different people. It just happened to be a Daily Mail one. I remember you saying how important education is in the future investment into a country, yet here you are criticising Sweden that kept their schools open throughout rather than this s*** pit of a country that’ll keep children out of school for 6 months. 9-12 if the NEU get their way. They will also not have caused thousands upon thousands of other serious illnesses and deaths, and of course mass unemployment and poverty. Now there’s something to ponder. They value life. Just not in the haphazard plaster this, fvck that type approach we’re making. I always said we should’ve locked down temporarily. Your article says, and this is where I can’t take it seriously, ‘The sad fact is that herd immunity just isn't a solution to our pandemic woes. Yes, it may eventually happen anyway, but hoping that it will save us all is just not realistic. The time to discuss herd immunity is when we have a vaccine developed, and not one second earlier, because at that point we will be able to really stop the epidemic in its tracks. Until we have a vaccine, anyone talking about herd immunity as a preventative strategy for COVID-19 is simply wrong. Fortunately, there are other ways of preventing infections from spreading, which all boil down to avoiding people who are sick. So stay home, stay safe, and practice physical distancing as much as possible.’ It’s so f’ing delusional that I can’t be bothered to type this late at night. Funny seeing as he accuses the herd immunity route as delusional. And on his 70% herd immunity figure. It’s thought under a third of that number could be enough, and nowhere in his article does he mention T-cell immunity. If that was printed on paper I think I’d have flung it away. It would probably only make a free paper or the Guardian. They’re coming out with vaccine praying toss on a daily basis. It’s really pretty simple. Shield the vulnerable. It’s slightly revealing that with regards to this long term Covid thing, there’s absolutely no figures or findings whatsoever. Nothing. I expect you have to listen to James o’ Brien or read Owen Jones using any opportunity to influence people into accepting this government control and loss of consideration for the future and young people especially. That’s left lies for you. Illogical at best. Idiotic at worst. Edit: Sweden hasn’t had the experience of people going undiagnosed or dying of other illnesses. We have, and lots of ‘em. There are untold amounts of cancer patients undiagnosed and I think the cardiac symptom patients were down by a half. Sweden may have not (tried) to protect everyone the best they could (or couldn’t) from Covid, but they didn’t seriously kill and affect many more like we have. Unfortunately nobody in political opposition opposes it. The cure is worse than the disease. But I just don’t want to hear anyone complaining about it if they get a shock redundancy if they’ve been all for this. Of course there are plenty all for this while knowing they won’t be affected. As expected. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Aug 2020 12.15am)
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Aug 20 11.22pm |
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Originally posted by Lombardinho
Even if you're 100 years old, the chances of you dying after testing positive for covid 19 are 0.26% Not sure where you get this idea and would be interested. This Italian study has the IFR at 0.61% And this later one has median IFR at 0.27%, the corrected figure being 0.24% It is well established that the IFR rockets by age, especially those over 70. So centenarians can’t just be around the median.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Aug 20 11.41pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Just the major majority of them. Conservative teachers get zero representation in any of the far left teaching unions.....zero. And those entering the profession learn to shut up in the staff room pretty quickly. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2020 11.43pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 10 Aug 20 7.23am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Just the major majority of them. Conservative teachers get zero representation in any of the far left teaching unions.....zero. And those entering the profession learn to shut up in the staff room pretty quickly. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Aug 2020 11.43pm) Hi Stirling good to hear from you again, I was getting a bit worried about you. Hope all is well
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| Lombardinho London 10 Aug 20 9.17am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Not sure where you get this idea and would be interested. This Italian study has the IFR at 0.61% And this later one has median IFR at 0.27%, the corrected figure being 0.24% It is well established that the IFR rockets by age, especially those over 70. So centenarians can’t just be around the median.
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 10 Aug 20 12.43pm |
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Seems like a lot of this from both sides of the spectrum: “certain beliefs are just too important to abandon,” “no one can talk me out of something I know is right,” This seems like the most sensible approach, but today we don't know where the facts are coming from. “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?” Anyway, good article if anyone wants to read through it:
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Aug 20 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Lombardinho
This seems to say 0.65% Note that 28% of those over 65 admitted to hospital die. If using the IFR of .65% you then have to bear in mind that most people that are infected don't have a positive test making your IFR worse as the tested people will mostly be more ill. Then factor in the dramatic change in mortality rate as you age. Your original assertion simply cannot be anywhere near correct. If you are tested positive when you are 100 you are - to put it mildly - in deep sh*t. Edited by Mapletree (10 Aug 2020 1.30pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Aug 20 1.33pm |
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Here you are: IFR for over 65s is 5.6%.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Aug 20 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
This seems to say 0.65% Note that 28% of those over 65 admitted to hospital die. If using the IFR of .65% you then have to bear in mind that most people that are infected don't have a positive test making your IFR worse as the tested people will mostly be more ill. Then factor in the dramatic change in mortality rate as you age. Your original assertion simply cannot be anywhere near correct. If you are tested positive when you are 100 you are - to put it mildly - in deep sh*t. Edited by Mapletree (10 Aug 2020 1.30pm) Unlikely to be working, or if they are, can be supported by the state.
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