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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 21 11.55am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s in (a nice part of) Tenerife still I think so I doubt it’s that/he’s that miserable in the morning. Here on the other hand...

Proxy. Even worse

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Feb 21 12.01pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Sorry not sure where I said that it is “just old people” who are victims? I have said that CV is real and nasty in my opinion the effects of these continual lockdowns will outweigh the benefits.

You do realise that over 500,000 people die in the UK every year - this is not to make light of those who have lost their lives with CV but we cannot continue to lock down and be ignorant of the massive damage this is causing.

The advice for those who have had the vaccine remains to wear a mask, social distance etc..

Well I agree that there is a limit to what we can do to limit Covid damage but what we have done so far seems broadly sensible. Personally I would have introduced much more stringent controls early on and definitely not had a Christmas day for two thirds of the country but as always, politics is in the mix of decision making.
The complication of mutated strains has been a factor that has affected the situation in recent months, but the mission was always to contain the virus until a vaccine was available. That appears to have been achieved. Hopefully we can now slowly get back to normality albeit with Covid still around.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

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Envy. THE worst.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 19 Feb 21 12.18pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well I agree that there is a limit to what we can do to limit Covid damage but what we have done so far seems broadly sensible. Personally I would have introduced much more stringent controls early on and definitely not had a Christmas day for two thirds of the country but as always, politics is in the mix of decision making.
The complication of mutated strains has been a factor that has affected the situation in recent months, but the mission was always to contain the virus until a vaccine was available. That appears to have been achieved. Hopefully we can now slowly get back to normality albeit with Covid still around.

I can’t get over how sensible and erudite you are being at the moment. Long may we be on the same side of debates.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Feb 21 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I can’t get over how sensible and erudite you are being at the moment. Long may we be on the same side of debates.

Get lost Addiscombe boy

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 21 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

On Monday we shall be hearing about the 'Roadmap' out of Lockdown.

Clearly the goalposts have been moved.It is no longer just about deaths,hospitalisations, the vaccination roll-out and protecting the NHS but cases and case numbers.

Boris Johnson who has on many occasions exuded an air of optimism and 'Boosterism' now cuts a different figure despite the positive data from deaths, hospitalisations and infections with the word "Cautious" being thrust at us with some regularity.
The scientists who would have us in Lockdown for a year or more have clearly got to him.Boris is indeed "Following the science".

I admit to being at the end of my tether with this latest lockdown and I believe that in general the great British public have had ENOUGH.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2021 12.27pm)

 

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jeeagles Flag 19 Feb 21 12.29pm

I was speaking to a friend who's a doctor this morning.

From the data released by the government

Got some decent covid data again.

The number of patients admitted to hospital is the same as it was on 7th December.

The number of patients in hospital is the same as it was on 20th December.

The number of patients on mechanical ventilation is the same as it was on 5th January.

Seems like hospital capacity is far too high to release lockdown measures next week, and that the number of patients being admitted to hospital is far higher than it should be based over 6 weeks of national lockdown.

This can only make me think that the majority of people getting sick are those who are disregarding the rules.

It think the only solution is now more punative measures. It also shows to some extent that our free* (at the point of service) healthcare system doesn't work.

If people had to pay a little bit for there own health care and paid a bit less in tax we'd have a much better health care system.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I was speaking to a friend who's a doctor this morning.

From the data released by the government

Got some decent covid data again.

The number of patients admitted to hospital is the same as it was on 7th December.

The number of patients in hospital is the same as it was on 20th December.

The number of patients on mechanical ventilation is the same as it was on 5th January.

Seems like hospital capacity is far too high to release lockdown measures next week, and that the number of patients being admitted to hospital is far higher than it should be based over 6 weeks of national lockdown.

This can only make me think that the majority of people getting sick are those who are disregarding the rules.

It think the only solution is now more punative measures. It also shows to some extent that our free* (at the point of service) healthcare system doesn't work.

If people had to pay a little bit for there own health care and paid a bit less in tax we'd have a much better health care system.

I think you’re right there. The added problem is the reduction of hospital beds. I think they went too far blanking off beds.

If you want more hospital capacity you raise income tax and/or National Insurance long term, and/or you end transgender operations and consultations and other things you can debate whether they’re an individual right or essential like IVF or IVF multiple times. We could then venture into healthcare tourism into Britain or England.

Disagree on more punitive measures and many will still socialise somewhere behind closed doors unless you turn England into 1970’s and 1980’s type Belfast army patrol.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 12.47pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well I agree that there is a limit to what we can do to limit Covid damage but what we have done so far seems broadly sensible. Personally I would have introduced much more stringent controls early on and definitely not had a Christmas day for two thirds of the country but as always, politics is in the mix of decision making.
The complication of mutated strains has been a factor that has affected the situation in recent months, but the mission was always to contain the virus until a vaccine was available. That appears to have been achieved. Hopefully we can now slowly get back to normality albeit with Covid still around.

Christmas would still have happened. There was a large amount of big groups of families going on walks in the week between Christmas and New Year and a few days after. Middle class families, no social distancing and some were no doubt staying with the family in the same house. Early to late 20 somethings. Did a presents exchange before midday on Christmas Day in a garden because vulnerable people were involved. The roads were full. I bet they were going somewhere to have a normal Christmas Day. They knew what they were doing and they would’ve done it anyway. I’m just surprised the tv press haven’t seized on the opportunity to interview an ICU patient or relatives of a Covid death after their Christmas Day celebration. There’s thousands of them.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 21 12.53pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I was speaking to a friend who's a doctor this morning.

From the data released by the government

Got some decent covid data again.

The number of patients admitted to hospital is the same as it was on 7th December.

The number of patients in hospital is the same as it was on 20th December.

The number of patients on mechanical ventilation is the same as it was on 5th January.

Seems like hospital capacity is far too high to release lockdown measures next week,
and that the number of patients being admitted to hospital is far higher than it should be based over 6 weeks of national lockdown.

This can only make me think that the majority of people getting sick are those who are disregarding the rules.

It think the only solution is now more punative measures. It also shows to some extent that our free* (at the point of service) healthcare system doesn't work.

If people had to pay a little bit for there own health care and paid a bit less in tax we'd have a much better health care system.

People are certainly not expecting a mass release of restrictions in the next few weeks but the messages of "Optimism" have been superceded with "Cautious".
People have just NOTHING to look forward to in the foreseeable future, there is no hope, and do I fear dire,further consequences of protracted lockdown measures.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 21 1.04pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Envy. THE worst.

Haha come on now. I certainly don't envy someone living the clichéd ex-pat life. Literally would be my worst nightmare.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 21 1.08pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

People are certainly not expecting a mass release of restrictions in the next few weeks but the messages of "Optimism" have been superceded with "Cautious".
People have just NOTHING to look forward to in the foreseeable future, there is no hope, and do I fear dire,further consequences of protracted lockdown measures.

I don't think this is fair. If they have a brain they have plenty to look forward to. A gradual relaxation of restrictions culminating in a summer of relative freedom. That's more than enough to get mildly excited about.
Realism doesn't have to mean depression. People seem to be unable to think outside binary terms – full lockdown or complete freedom.

Nonsensical

Anyway. Some positive news from reuters. Not peer reviewed and therefore who knows how accurate the research is, but something to latch onto nonetheless.

'Data analysis in a study by the Israeli Health Ministry and Pfizer Inc found the Pfizer vaccine developed with Germany’s BioNTech reduces infection, including in asymptomatic cases, by 89.4% and in syptomatic cases by 93.7%.'

 


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