"It is very clear what it means if you cant follow it you unfortunately are not educated enough to understand so really shouldn't even be commenting" - your opening reply is ad hominem - no need for that

"Not all the vaccines are equal if you are going to look into research this needs to be taken into account" - relevance?

"Their is ones which do not use experimental methods (none approved in UK yet)" - There are none approved on the UK - they are all under emergency use authorisation so escape proper process and scrutiny.

"You can find studies done by other parties the problem with a lot of these is the same as the manufacture ones not proper controlled or too short of a period a fair few as well have control groups way to small to be any use" - there are no long term studies by definition as these "vaccines" (Gene therapies) were rushed out. Should this not be an additional reason to be concerned by the numbers of adverse reactions we are potentially seeing?

""Do no harm" was a BS made up saying it has never applied" - do you disagree with this or at least that a there needs to be a specific need to a treatment?

"People have the choice to have the vaccine or not the same with people who choose to smoke or drink alcohol" - I'm talking specifically about kids here who are in no position to give consent

1. The statement was not meant as an insult it was meant as a lot of people are looking at numbers and claiming it shows this or that yet they do not understand what they are reading or even worked in the field to know how it works. - the information I posted is self evident and needs no explanation. I think a lawyer would call it "prima facie". It shows clear evidence of large scale vaccine damage

2. It is relevant again a person who understands the subject and has worked in this field knows full well this is very important. Relevant in what way?

3. Emergency use still means its been approved for that means. (Incorrect it still has to meet a standard and go through some phases) - it means that we are mass vaccinating our entire population with no long erm safety data and complete indemnity for the vaccine manufacturer

4. Gene therapy has been used for years you can look these up I am not going to comment on the results and using it for the delivery of this vaccine is new yes but I already stated which is relevant not all of the vaccines use this. - gene therapy has never been used in a so called vaccine let alone a mass vaccination program. Its been used in very limited specific circumstances on very sick people

5. Do no harm is not possible you will always harm someone all you can do is treat everybody with the same respect and offer the same level of care no matter what. (It's a money making business curing people doesn't make money) - if you know significant numbers of people are being injured and the average person has only 99.7 percent chance of dying from desease why would you even suggest pushing this to anyone other than the likely vulnerable? I agree that the drugs companies have no incentive to heal us so shouldn't their motivation to push vaccines factor into this?

6. kids do have a choice no one is holding them down forcing them (If you are referring to parents how is it any different to the parents choosing many different aspects of their childs life this is what parents do make a choice and then live with it good or bad) - I don't agree that parents or anyone else should be able to assault or murder their children and ignorance is no excuse. Kids are both vulnerable to coercion by teachers, figures in authority, media and peer pressure from other children who have been taught that the unvaccinated are somehow dangerous. They are in no way in a position to make this decision than they are as to decide when to go to bed. More importantly they are at zero risk (less than being run over or drowning for example) and the "vaccine" does not provide any protection from spreading this to others - these is no justification at all - none - zero.

I was very clear form the beginning I do not agree with the way these vaccines have been rushed etc.

I do believe people who are in poor health and vulnerable it is a very good option to consider but have a look into the different types and if possible go for one that uses the traditional methods. Personally I don't believe these MRNa vaccines should be given to anyone but at least adults for the obvious reasons I've already given but at least adults are in a position to take this crap (or even defend themselves from it).

Other actions are for people to correct lifestyle/diet (This wont happen people dont want to) - yes but it's interesting to say the least that despite numerous studies that vitamin's C / D, zinc, Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine and various other treatments (that cost pennies) have been shown to effective, nobody is allowed to discuss this, the latter 2 have been banned and people are getting censored on social media for even discussing this.

Edited by grumpymort (26 Aug 2021 3.23pm)

All the evidence points in one direction. The "rollout" needs to be stopped in it's tracks. No vaccine has ever caused this much damage and we are only seeing the short term effects.

Again incorrect and misinformation

Again prove causation you cant you are creating associations this is not science.

You need to step away you do not understand this subject and are just listening to other people who are twisting little bits of information plus a lot of them have no clue what they are even talking about

I am not the best at explaining everything in simple terms but I worked in this field for decades before retiring being involved in multi pandemics in Asia.

I recommend this guy to normal people he is very good at explaining/ breaking it all down in as simple of a way possible all of what he states is backed up by the available literature [Link]

So much misinformation out their or people who just do not understand what they are looking at so they try to interrupt it in their understand which is not correct a researcher does not work the same as even a doctor let alone normal joe public.

My own uneducated personal view as a volunteer who has probably seen between 10-15k patients I have yet to see anyone have a reaction to the vaccine, normally it's unrelated.

Some people faint because they are scared of needles, I had one on Saturday, some because they are dehydrated and haven't eaten normally meaning they were on the piss the night before, low blood sugar is another one.