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BlueJay Flag UK 10 Jul 22 2.46am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Wisbech - Please stop pushing your pro-lockdown narrative and agenda - they did not work and there is no way anyone (with the exception of lockdown lovers like you) will adhere to them in future.

The first lockdown made sense, though certainly beyond that and especially now people need to recognise that lockdowns aren't without major consequences and there is more to the world than a covid head count.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 10 Jul 22 6.39am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

The first lockdown made sense, though certainly beyond that and especially now people need to recognise that lockdowns aren't without major consequences and there is more to the world than a covid head count.

Those consequences will be felt for years in many areas, economic, societal, educationally, psychologically, etc.
Another topic is how every country agreed lockdown was an, if not the, answer. Not a conspiracy theory but it's curious that the entire world agreed on one thing, particularly such an unprecedented response.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 10 Jul 22 6.45am Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I am neither "pro-lockdown" nor a "lockdown lover" I have no idea what you are on about.

What I am is aware of the need to take steps to try to flatten the curve of infections to ensure that the NHS continues to function.

What those steps need to be I leave up to the experts to determine. Extreme measures, like total lockdowns, seem to have been the only answer available in the early days, given the lack of knowledge and unavailability of vaccines and treatments.

We have moved on. We now have vaccines, treatments and greater understanding.

That's not to say the problems aren't still there. Problems which demand solutions, but which solutions are chosen remains unclear. Maybe they will just hope to ride the current wave and hope it doesn't over power us. Maybe we will all be asked to restrict social contacts and work from home again. Another lockdown seems unlikely. We will know soon enough.

As you say you have “no idea” what I am referring to - have a look at your post on
the 3rd July where you state:

“I fail to understand why, after more than 2 years of Covid experience, people still think wearing masks, respecting social distancing and even having lockdowns is only to ensure you, and others, don't catch Covid”.

As well as your post yesterday which refers to “anti-lockdown” supporters in a negative way.

Each time you continue to talk about lockdowns as an alternative and viable policy I will continue to challenge you.

As retiree with a buy to let portfolio you are pretty much immune and tone deaf to the damage that these ridiculous lockdowns have caused - many others are not so fortunate and there are the children whose education has been badly affected plus the tens of thousands who died as the NHS stopped functioning.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Those consequences will be felt for years in many areas, economic, societal, educationally, psychologically, etc.
Another topic is how every country agreed lockdown was an, if not the, answer. Not a conspiracy theory but it's curious that the entire world agreed on one thing, particularly such an unprecedented response.

I think rightly or wrongly it was just logical. If you reduce contact a disease cannot transmit between people. The irony being I think that covid was thought to be a lot more dangerous than it actually was. That’s not to say it hasn’t killed and affected millions but only primarily people with certain situations in life. Age, ‘known’ underlying health problems and bad lifestyles etc. I say known because covid found out who didn’t know they actually had a hidden issue. Just my take .

 

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Originally posted by Eden Eagle

As you say you have “no idea” what I am referring to - have a look at your post on
the 3rd July where you state:

“I fail to understand why, after more than 2 years of Covid experience, people still think wearing masks, respecting social distancing and even having lockdowns is only to ensure you, and others, don't catch Covid”.

As well as your post yesterday which refers to “anti-lockdown” supporters in a negative way.

Each time you continue to talk about lockdowns as an alternative and viable policy I will continue to challenge you.

As retiree with a buy to let portfolio you are pretty much immune and tone deaf to the damage that these ridiculous lockdowns have caused - many others are not so fortunate and there are the children whose education has been badly affected plus the tens of thousands who died as the NHS stopped functioning.

That I have highlighted is true. It doesn't though mean I am a lockdown "lover" at all. It only means the purpose is not solely, or mainly, personal protection.

As a retiree, I am potentially impacted more by a failing NHS than most. Which is the primary reason why they were used. Getting us all vaccinated has enabled their use to be removed and the economy working again. Children's education has been impacted too, but these are trade-offs. Decisions needed to be made.

The NHS didn't stop functioning, but if we had not have locked down it may well have done and many more would have died as a consequence.

This was always a lose, lose situation and a choice of what was the least bad option. Criticism is easy. Making decisions that someone will disagree with was the hard thing.

 

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A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. (Proverb)

We have done the exact opposite of this. Instead of the older generation looking after the youth and unborn generations there has been a vampiric stealing of their future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 10.35am)

 


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I don't want to refer to vaccine safety as I don't want to speak on what I'm not certain about.....and even then I might be wrong.

But what I do think is worth highlighting is that Zuckerberg feels stating doubts on something as his real position is fine to his private audience but something he won't allow people to express on his platform....even if they have a limited audience by making their posts private to their groups

I don't think that's a free society.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. (Proverb)

We have done the exact opposite of this. Instead of the older generation looking after the youth and unborn generations there has been a vampiric stealing of their future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 10.35am)

You could say many many boomers lived up to the accusations made by millennials for years before.

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You could say many many boomers lived up to the accusations made by millennials for years before.

It's the natural exploitative nature of humanity, which religion teaches against but which nihilism embraces just with the change of warm words to justify it.

It's like the drowning man who instinctively drags down the nearest to him, drowning them too.....actually being encouraged by modern culture to do that.....rather than the culture advising against the urge.

The boomers (obviously not all) were the first generation raised to put their individual interests first over their group interests.....it's obviously compounded since.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 12.50pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's the natural exploitative nature of humanity, which religion teaches against but which nihilism embraces just with the change of warm words to justify it.

It's like the drowning man who instinctively drags down the nearest to him, drowning them too.....actually being encouraged by modern culture to do that.....rather than the culture advising against the urge.

The boomers were the first generation raised to put their individual interests first over their group interests.....it's obviously compounded since.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 12.50pm)

‘’I paid in all my life’’
‘’We went without’’
‘’We had to save for a house’’ (for a fifth to tenth of the time compared to now)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Jul 2022 12.56pm)

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

‘’I paid in all my life’’
‘’We went without’’
‘’We had to save for a house’’ (for a fifth to tenth of the time to now)

Yep, I remember the 'we went without' stuff like that being said by my own grandparents.

Our family benefited from their long term view.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 12.58pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, I remember the 'we went without' stuff like that being said by my own grandparents.

Our family benefited from their long term view.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jul 2022 12.58pm)

However home ownership was possible in most areas of the country without inheritance. Now it’s virtually impossible unless you save for a very long time - difficult to do while renting and average house prices being 9 times higher than average salaries. You couldn’t necessarily accuse boomers for this but many are oblivious to the fact they’ll make it worse with their demands and to stay alive as close to 100 as possible.

Been done to death already I know, but…

 


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