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 Mapletree  Croydon 29 Mar 20 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We are building temporary hospitals, as the Chinese did. Doing as much as possible to enlarge health response is a no brainer during this. However, as to the threat to the healthy....I have to push back on that. If you are under fifty with no health conditions while this virus is certainly worse then the flu its death stats are very low. Isolating the vulnerable from the active was extremely important. But our approach has been a vast over-reaction.....if it continues is going to cause long lasting misery and will kill many via other means. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 1.33pm) Ah, feck the over 50s then. Those that have lived for roughly half their lives so far are now cemetery fodder. I am sure theHOL will agree
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 20 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We are building temporary hospitals, as the Chinese did. Doing as much as possible to enlarge health response is a no brainer during this. However, as to the threat to the healthy....I have to push back on that. If you are under fifty with no health conditions while this virus is certainly worse then the flu its death stats are very low. Isolating the vulnerable from the active was extremely important. But our approach has been a vast over-reaction.....if it continues is going to cause long lasting misery and will kill many via other means. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 1.33pm) We are apparently on the same trajectory as Italy with what we’re doing with the lockdown, and the hospitals which includes other wards closed to outpatients are overrun. But you suggest turning off that lockdown right now causing those cases to spiral again? Now isn’t the time. In time I think and hope you’re correct, because I agree on various levels, but not now. As has been said I think this is a temporary lockdown for a few months maximum. I don’t know if you have anyone who might miss out on critical hospital treatment but it might change your mind on a personal level but that shouldn’t be what changes a logical opinion and the logic until we pass that point is the lockdown is necessary, short term.
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Mar 20 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Which were these, out of interest? I’m in my 30’s and never seen anything like it. My feelings are that the lockdown is a temporary measure which might last another 4 weeks, simply to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope and save more lives. After this period I think we’ll gradually see businesses returning to normal but under social distancing rules. This current harsh lockdown will act as a shock factor to scare people into respecting the social distancing rules. It can’t be too many months until we have a herd immunity which will feel like the end. Edited by Goal Machine (29 Mar 2020 1.34pm) Look up CFRs. The first SARS (this is the second) and MERS were worse. But they didn’t seem to be so virulent. I would assume we are locked down until End of May Edited by Mapletree (29 Mar 2020 1.49pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Mar 20 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, feck the over 50s then. Those that have lived for roughly half their lives so far are now cemetery fodder. I am sure theHOL will agree I am 67 and my dear wife is 66. Edited by Willo (29 Mar 2020 1.52pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 20 1.48pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
There was a Professor from Imperial College, and advisor to the Government, who quite recently was quite upbeat and positive in his message about the timing of the peak and when the 'Tide' would turn. I believe it is the same gentleman who in the 'Sunday Times' has written that the lockdown could last until the end of May and into early June.Perhaps it IS the same chap and the Government have asked him NOT to give out a positive message,lest it lulls the population into complacency.Only speculation! Yes I’ve seen all that. But complacency will damage that goal.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Mar 20 1.51pm |
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Stirling, you have the right to disagree and protest in the U.K. but in the culture you’re lauding this isn’t the same. They do as they’re told. There is a bit of irony in here.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
Which were these, out of interest? I’m in my 30’s and never seen anything like it. My feelings are that the lockdown is a temporary measure which might last another 4 weeks, simply to slow down the virus so that the NHS can cope and save more lives. After this period I think we’ll gradually see businesses returning to normal but under social distancing rules. This current harsh lockdown will act as a shock factor to scare people into respecting the social distancing rules. It can’t be too many months until we have a herd immunity which will feel like the end. Edited by Goal Machine (29 Mar 2020 1.34pm) I'm worried that a month or more implements a world recession...Hell, perhaps it's less than that I don't know. This is something we have already had a taste of...but this will be worst as it's on top. For me, I would have gone with lockdown for a week or two at the start to implement the isolation and push hygiene requirements changes to workplaces and environments. The Spanish flu of 1918/19 killed approximately 250,000 in the UK.....WW2, civilian and military combined comes in at 449,700 over six years. It is thought that approximately 10 to 20 per cent of those infected during the pandemic lost their lives. The virus disproportionally affected the fit and healthy. Whereas this virus isn't going to touch that...I predict it isn't going to kill 30,000, most of whom were weak to begin with....but the media will hype it to the nines. I guess time and hindsight will show us which approach was more advisable. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 1.56pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 2.00pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Stirling, you have the right to disagree and protest in the U.K. but in the culture you’re lauding this isn’t the same. They do as they’re told. There is a bit of irony in here. Very true. It's all very 'baaaaaa' and stoicism is a quality lost a long time ago. A media controlled society from the politicians down....an excess of empathy over reason and a misplaced obsession with certainty.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
We are apparently on the same trajectory as Italy with what we’re doing with the lockdown, and the hospitals which includes other wards closed to outpatients are overrun. But you suggest turning off that lockdown right now causing those cases to spiral again? Now isn’t the time. In time I think and hope you’re correct, because I agree on various levels, but not now. As has been said I think this is a temporary lockdown for a few months maximum. I don’t know if you have anyone who might miss out on critical hospital treatment but it might change your mind on a personal level but that shouldn’t be what changes a logical opinion and the logic until we pass that point is the lockdown is necessary, short term. My first paragraph, in the post you replied to, kind of address what you say here. My points have related to what we should have done....As to what we should do from this position. Yes, I'd be putting the fit and healthy back to work before they lose their jobs permanently...if they haven't already. My previous comments on health requirements would have to be implemented. Essentially environments would be run as in Japan.
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Goal Machine  The Cronx 29 Mar 20 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm worried that a month or more implements a world recession...Hell, perhaps it's less than that I don't know. This is something we have already had a taste of...but this will be worst as it's on top. For me, I would have gone with lockdown for a week or two at the start to implement the isolation and push hygiene requirements changes to workplaces and environments. The Spanish flu of 1918/19 killed approximately 250,000 in the UK.....WW2, civilian and military combined comes in at 449,700 over six years. It is thought that approximately 10 to 20 per cent of those infected during the pandemic lost their lives. The virus disproportionally affected the fit and healthy. Whereas this virus isn't going to touch that...I predict it isn't going to kill 30,000, most of whom were weak to begin with....but the media will hype it to the nines. I guess time and hindsight will show us which approach was more advisable. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 1.56pm) I’m well aware of the Spanish Flu, however this was 100 years ago and things were of course very different then - medicine, technology, NHS service, hygiene etc. We far more advanced to deal with this today. Humans are intelligent and adaptable and technology is excellent. Moat office jobs can be done from home, restaurants and small businesses will suffer short term but new inventive business ventures will crop up. Once this is over, there will be will still be a gap in the market for these businesses to return. It will be a short blip in the economy. If we can keep below 30,000 deaths in the UK that’s a good result. In my opinion, the government have handled it well so far, but can see it becoming an issue if the lockdown continues for too long.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Mar 20 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, feck the over 50s then. Those that have lived for roughly half their lives so far are now cemetery fodder. I am sure theHOL will agree The fifties death rate is still very low....I'm in that group myself. The average age of dying is the high seventies......and they and the vulnerable should all should be isolated. I'm not saying nothing should be done.....What I'm saying is that we have over reacted. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 2.17pm)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Mar 20 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The fifties death rate is still very low....I'm in that group myself. The average age of dying is the high seventies......and they and the vulnerable should all should be isolated. I'm not saying nothing should be done.....What I'm saying is that we have over reacted. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Mar 2020 2.17pm) The median age of the dead in Ireland has been 79.There have been two younger people who needed ventilators so far. One 30s, one 40s. There are some in their 40s and 50s in intensive care.
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