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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Looks like we are sleepwalking into another great depression. But this time we had a choice. I hope I'm entirely wrong. I remember well how poor we were at times in the past. Thought my kids would never have to live the way I had to but they could even face worse now.

So exactly what were those choices?

Do what was done and allow the NHS to seemingly just about cope, albeit under huge strain, a lack of resources and the losses of their staff?

Or not do it. Maybe just isolate the very vulnerable, allow the children to go to school and most working age people to continue to work and hope they observed social distancing, or worked from home? Not close the shops, pubs or restaurants? Allow people to travel freely? Attend football matches wearing masks?

The consequences of that would surely have seen the NHS overwhelmed, with even fewer staff than they have now, and the very real possibility that the whole system could have collapsed. The social unrest and fear that would follow such a scenario cannot be imagined. Nor could the economic impact, which is what those who advocate a different approach seem most concerned about.

The actual scale of the economic impact can now only be guessed at. It may be a depression but not necessarily. It is not anyway in our hands alone. If our markets decline then so do we. If we conquer this as quickly as possible and then take the same kind of decisive action we did once we decided on the "lockdown" then we can recover. Not to where we were, because somethings are going to change for ever, but we can recover. It could even be better.

Those of working age may have to work harder and longer than before and either be paid less or taxed more. Probably both. Those retired will see their pensions frozen or even cut. We will all have to adjust our life styles as a consequence. But we will still have life styles to enjoy. And that's the point.

Some things are much more important than money and the most important of all is life and the love of your family and friends.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 20 10.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Some waffle on about this as if it's the black death.

There's no mass produced vaccine for a considerable time and most active people who need to earn money are going to get this.....unless you're never coming out till then.

8 our of ten won't even know they have had it and lengthening out the process in the mistaken belief that you're saving lives seems doubtful to me.

There is zero evidence for 'overwhelming the NHS' other than you guys telling yourselves that. We built hospitals in weeks and could build as many as we liked. We had what....700,000 volunteers. Sure, you're not going to get top of the line care but the idea we couldn't cope is just contention....The diverting of resources has already done for some people as it is.

Herd immunity is going to do its thing whether you lengthen out the process or not. Those who isolate and had the means to will isolate anyway.

Let's hope that those who predict an economic soft landing are right.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2020 10.49pm)

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Apr 20 10.50pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So exactly what were those choices?

Do what was done and allow the NHS to seemingly just about cope, albeit under huge strain, a lack of resources and the losses of their staff?

Or not do it. Maybe just isolate the very vulnerable, allow the children to go to school and most working age people to continue to work and hope they observed social distancing, or worked from home? Not close the shops, pubs or restaurants? Allow people to travel freely? Attend football matches wearing masks?

The consequences of that would surely have seen the NHS overwhelmed, with even fewer staff than they have now, and the very real possibility that the whole system could have collapsed. The social unrest and fear that would follow such a scenario cannot be imagined. Nor could the economic impact, which is what those who advocate a different approach seem most concerned about.

The actual scale of the economic impact can now only be guessed at. It may be a depression but not necessarily. It is not anyway in our hands alone. If our markets decline then so do we. If we conquer this as quickly as possible and then take the same kind of decisive action we did once we decided on the "lockdown" then we can recover. Not to where we were, because somethings are going to change for ever, but we can recover. It could even be better.

Those of working age may have to work harder and longer than before and either be paid less or taxed more. Probably both. Those retired will see their pensions frozen or even cut. We will all have to adjust our life styles as a consequence. But we will still have life styles to enjoy. And that's the point.

Some things are much more important than money and the most important of all is life and the love of your family and friends.

Good post. Reckon those who advocate an alternative approach would soon change their tune if a parent or loved one died from it because they had needlessly caught it if we didn't take the measures we are now.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 20 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

The next time certain people drive at 70mph on the highway....just remember you are engaging in an activity that kills thousands every year.

Just imagine that it was your child or a loved one.

So I take it they won't drive at over 30 in future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2020 10.55pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Apr 20 11.20pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Japan are getting worried now. Health system may be overwhelmed apparently. Do you think now the Olympics are cancelled we are seeing the truth. If japan gets totally wasted meterphorically then that would be us without lockdown.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 19 Apr 20 11.20pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I’ve just seen Andrew Marr on the Parliament channel. I didn’t get round to watching it on iplayer. [Link]

Somehow I missed it this morning. There is just a glint of light at the end of the tunnel so I’d be crossing all fingers and toes on a vaccine. Plus this could go on for quite a long time. Interview transcript:

[Link]

The guy from the OECD played down a depression and believes it’ll be more like a usual recession that’ll last this year, come out of it next year but have some scars to heal in the 2 years after. Something like that. Another economic spokesperson stating governments first responsibility is the lives of its citizens.

I thought all the speakers were impressive. Even Gove seemed less like a schoolboy than usual. Angel Gurria was especially sage and it was reassuring.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Apr 20 11.21pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

We will be copying Europe and back to very soon. Apart from Germany. We’ll never those efficiently boring krauts. When they’ve tested their whole country we’ll be looking back at the date we thought we’d be testing 100,000 a day but could only manage 30,000.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Apr 20 11.30pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The next time certain people drive at 70mph on the highway....just remember you are engaging in an activity that kills thousands every year.

Just imagine that it was your child or a loved one.

So I take it they won't drive at over 30 in future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2020 10.55pm)

Yes because you can definitely compare a highly infectious virus which has caused a global pandemic with driving at the speed limit on a motorway.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 20 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Yes because you can definitely compare a highly infectious virus which has caused a global pandemic with driving at the speed limit on a motorway.


The comparison has been made by far more qualified people than me.

But you carry on, don't worry your little self about it....just tell yourself what you wish to.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Apr 20 11.43pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


The comparison has been made by far more qualified people than me.

But you carry on, don't worry your little self about it....just tell yourself what you wish to.

This isn't narrowing it down much.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Apr 20 11.44pm

Originally posted by cryrst

How many dead is a good number if we had not locked down. Protect the vulnerable and distancing being the methods.? How many would you think there would have been and would that number be acceptable to prevent the financial issues we may face.

It's self serving guff from the I'm alright jack types. Nobody with immune issues, or elderly, or vulnerable or looking after anyone in those categories thinks the lockdown was a bad idea. It has allowed us to build capacity and bought valuable time. We'll no doubt start transitioning out of it mid to late next month and that's a good balance I'd say.

The brushing under the carpet with what's going on in care homes is a travesty, no plan, no resources. There was effectively no lockdown period at alll for them and they paid a high price for it.

 

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Originally posted by DanH

This isn't narrowing it down much.

Sigh.

 


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