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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 21 Apr 20 9.28am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Something is definitely wrong somewhere in procurement whether it is with the NHS Supply Chain department or the Government itself.

I have already posted about a buddy of mine on a business forum who has a business in China sourcing equipment for the NHS (amongst others). He had several hundred ventilators that he offered to the NHS through his normal contacts and four days later having not received a reply he offered them to Portugal instead who snapped them up straight away.

I would like to think that in view of Rishi Sunak's comment that the NHS will get whatever they need the problem lies with a bureaucracy that doesn't function properly.

I'd say it may be procurement, but probably ineffective expediting is behind a lot of it too.

 

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View Henry of Peckham's Profile Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 21 Apr 20 9.50am Send a Private Message to Henry of Peckham Add Henry of Peckham as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I was told on another forum by a supposed insider that much of the incompetence is deliberate in the hope of the government failing.

Whether there is any truth in that or not I don't know

I'm sure there was interference whilst the Brexit debate was ongoing and it may still be there, but I've seen the incompetence and I know self-interest is genuine.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Apr 20 9.56am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


Sounds believable, and we also have to consider that when things do open back up, there will still be both a lack of demand and likely a spike in cases. The reality dictates that life won't be getting back to normal until next year at best. Consequently we had better hope that a vaccine or effective treatment comes along before long.

I hope that something does happen soon as that crafty barsteward that runs Ryanair has now decided that refunds for cancelled flights will not happen in seven days as per the law or in 28 days as per Ryanair's recent emails to me but once the COVID-19 pandemic is over which could be any time of their choosing and the most annoying thing is that I have two further holidays booked including flights from them

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Apr 20 9.57am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


PS. Are you a Justin Hayward and John Lodge fan?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 21 Apr 20 10.47am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Something is definitely wrong somewhere in procurement whether it is with the NHS Supply Chain department or the Government itself.

I have already posted about a buddy of mine on a business forum who has a business in China sourcing equipment for the NHS (amongst others). He had several hundred ventilators that he offered to the NHS through his normal contacts and four days later having not received a reply he offered them to Portugal instead who snapped them up straight away.

I would like to think that in view of Rishi Sunak's comment that the NHS will get whatever they need the problem lies with a bureaucracy that doesn't function properly.

My knowledge of NHS procurement is sketchy at best but it does seem to me that a lot of it remains at local level with the trusts negotiating their own contracts and competing with one another. The idea that "salesmen" visit doctors and nurses to promote drugs and equipment has always felt uncomfortable to me, as a waste of everybody's time and money. Surely many things ought to be handled at a national level? The principal of subsidiarity applies just as much with the NHS as anywhere else. I understand the desire to introduce internal markets, to improve efficiency and reduce bureaucracy, but when this is a consequence questions need to be asked.

We are effectively now in a war against the virus and time. The only time in my lifetime I witnessed the UK going onto a war footing was when we went to the Falklands. What I saw then amazed me. I happened to be living close to a major emergency army supply base near Tewkesbury and the amount of equipment that was moved from there, 24 hours a day for a week or two, was incredible. The warehouses there are enormous and seemingly stretch for miles .

Surely one of the lessons from this must be we need a similar reserve facility for health care, with the stock rotated into actual use to avoid deterioration.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Apr 20 11.08am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Surely one of the lessons from this must be we need a similar reserve facility for health care, with the stock rotated into actual use to avoid deterioration.


There are many lessons that should be learnt so let's hope that when the time is right someone looks at all of the things that could have been done better and in the words of Jon-Luc Picard we make it so

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Apr 20 11.41am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle


There are many lessons that should be learnt so let's hope that when the time is right someone looks at all of the things that could have been done better and in the words of Jon-Luc Picard we make it so

This is where I fault the government / Public Health England they should have been stock piling in February.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Apr 20 11.48am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

This is where I fault the government / Public Health England they should have been stock piling in February.

This and closing boarders apart from uk citizens returning. This lack of reaction became obvious when private schools came back from half term Italian skiing trips, no advice was given to isolate I think, the schools carried on as normal, the pupils came back to school for a day and were sent home to isolate. It’s beyond belief that it was business as usual at airports well into the crisis.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 21 Apr 20 12.07pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

PS. Are you a Justin Hayward and John Lodge fan?

Wow, you don't miss much do you. I'm surprised anyone picked up the reference

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 21 Apr 20 12.08pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I hope that something does happen soon as that crafty barsteward that runs Ryanair has now decided that refunds for cancelled flights will not happen in seven days as per the law or in 28 days as per Ryanair's recent emails to me but once the COVID-19 pandemic is over which could be any time of their choosing and the most annoying thing is that I have two further holidays booked including flights from them

Lots of companies are trying to pull a fast like this. I notice that Haven holidays cancelled many thousands of bookings too, but have yet to issue refunds a month on.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 21 Apr 20 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle


There are many lessons that should be learnt so let's hope that when the time is right someone looks at all of the things that could have been done better and in the words of Jon-Luc Picard we make it so

Exactly what was said in our household this morning (except the Jon-Luc Picard bit!).
One can only hope that many lessons have been learnt and will be acted upon, maybe a whole different world awaits, who knows

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 21 Apr 20 12.15pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Easy jet are not making it easy either After closing there helpline and numerous telephone calls and emails have finally received my cash refund They were determined just to offer vouchers as refund .

 

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