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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 01 May 20 7.22pm Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Obviously the test centres were the failure.
Mostly private I think. Goddam government not seeing that in 2020 they needed these to be nationalised. Oh well never mind. I think test carried out was the goal. Passed

Considering they were posted yesterday and probably haven’t even reached the test centres yet I think the blame lies elsewhere.

You are right, the target was carried out tests not tests carried out plus number of tests in the post.

Problem is they seem more keen to treat this like a PR exercise rather than a global pandemic... strange that.

Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 May 2020 7.23pm)

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 01 May 20 8.07pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

You are wrong silver, they had a better handle on all things NHS, and with advisers, wouldn"t have made half the cock ups these CONS have, i don"t mind Boris as a person, but his boys have made mistake after mistake, starting with him not going to first 5 meetings on the virus, the rest followed that i mentioned in earlier post, you might not like Jeremy, but he wouldn"t have dropped the ball like this lot have!

You must be joking. By now they would be close (but not that close) to forming a committee on how to form a committee that has sufficient diverse representation to form a committee that is effectively representative to ensure that every diverse consideration is properly considered and factored into an effective action plan that takes account on a paramount interest basis of the primary needs of wimmin ethnic minorities and the particular requirements of the LGBTQ community...

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

Good post agree totally. However why did you feel the need to mention US, it is a bit of an obsession with you, just concentrate on the UK

Thanks.

The reason for the USA being mentioned was to look at the contrast that being at different stages of a political cycle brings to the table.

I haven't looked at it but I wonder if any other countries, whose President or Parliament are currently up for election, are dealing with the crisis differently as a consequence. Indeed would we have done anything different if the pandemic had started in September last year rather than January this. I hope not and would like to think the election would have been postponed, along with Brexit, so as to deal with the over-riding issue of C19.

Fortunately we will never know!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 01 May 20 10.14pm

Originally posted by becky

I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic, but in reality no one actually knows how to prepare for something like this: there is no model, and the last true pandemic was over 100 years ago, in an age when we didn't even have penicillin and a ventilator needed a whole room to itself.

I know there was SARS and Asian Bird Flu and a couple of others, but they never really amounted to anything (or not in the UK anyway), so although there was certainly models of the hows, whens and whys - you can only plan to a certain level, after which you can only go with the actuality of events as they unfold and spread.Which is exactly what has happened here with distribution of PPE, shortages of supplies, availability of beds and equipment.

To me, they got the greater part of the planning right and are doing pretty well with coping with the 'unplannable' as things move along.

Gets tin hat and retires.......

Well put, some can't help but find fault, but it's new territory for us all. It's a time for being realistic and community minded.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 01 May 20 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Let’s hope Merkel doesn’t follow suit

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 01 May 20 10.41pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

With respect it's only the media plus a few keyboard warriors that are putting the boot in as most of us realise what a difficult job it is to prepare for something that no-one ever thought would happen


The question is, if Jeremy Corbyn had won the election and was in exactly the same position, would you be as generous with him, regarding the flights fiasco, go out/no, stay in, we dont need warehouses full of PPE from birmingham, we can fly to Turkey and get a half load in 4 days instead, we havegot better things to do than go to the first 5 critical meetings on some virus coming our way, we met our 100,000 testing target, 120000 actually, although 40000 are in the post, we both know the answer to the question midlands don"t we, you would be up in arms!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 01 May 20 10.48pm

Originally posted by silvertop

You must be joking. By now they would be close (but not that close) to forming a committee on how to form a committee that has sufficient diverse representation to form a committee that is effectively representative to ensure that every diverse consideration is properly considered and factored into an effective action plan that takes account on a paramount interest basis of the primary needs of wimmin ethnic minorities and the particular requirements of the LGBTQ community...

Nonsense, and throw in a comma or full stop now and again!

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 01 May 20 10.54pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Considering they were posted yesterday and probably haven’t even reached the test centres yet I think the blame lies elsewhere.

You are right, the target was carried out tests not tests carried out plus number of tests in the post.

Problem is they seem more keen to treat this like a PR exercise rather than a global pandemic... strange that.
small]Edited by SavoyTruffle (01 May 2020 7.23pm)


Exactly, but with this pr exercise they have decided that 40000 tests currently sitting in a post box are deemed to count as people tested, only the dillusional blu noses on here, who can never see any wrong in anything the CONS do, would suck it up, anyone with any rational will see its 80000 tests, not bad in itself, nothing near Germany, but not bad, so why have to go the pr route and add another 40000 on top, that are just tests in transit!

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 02 May 20 1.10am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by becky

I was thinking this morning (a dangerous pastime, I know) how everyone is berating everyone else for their unpreparedness for this pandemic, but in reality no one actually knows how to prepare for something like this: there is no model, and the last true pandemic was over 100 years ago, in an age when we didn't even have penicillin and a ventilator needed a whole room to itself.

I know there was SARS and Asian Bird Flu and a couple of others, but they never really amounted to anything (or not in the UK anyway), so although there was certainly models of the hows, whens and whys - you can only plan to a certain level, after which you can only go with the actuality of events as they unfold and spread.Which is exactly what has happened here with distribution of PPE, shortages of supplies, availability of beds and equipment.

To me, they got the greater part of the planning right and are doing pretty well with coping with the 'unplannable' as things move along.

Gets tin hat and retires.......

In 2008 we committed 0.7% of GDP to PHE pursuing global health assistance and strategies for precisely this reason. We played a big role in managing the Ebola outbreak in 2014.

As with most events when it comes to humans - we quickly forget what happened in the near past and focus on the now. Do we really need that? We don’t need to fund that. I don’t remember that. It wasn’t that bad was it?

It’s not a political issue. It’s a human trait. It’s how we’re wired - history will always repeat itself until we have a system that can predict for us.

Cycle forward 12 years and adequate funding to prepare for this kind of scenario got binned a long time ago. We were simulating for pandemic response in 2012 (I think we know why in that specific scenario) And now here we are.

We’ve not done badly but let’s not kid ourselves and think we’ve done ‘well’.

To say no one knows how they’d prepare for it on the face of it is true - But also insanely obvious

What you’re not thinking about or even aware of is what was being done to help reduce the unknowns in this exact situation was killed off some time ago - and this is the result. We had a strategy and we got complacent, had to cut budgets (allegedly) and went for the thing they felt had the least chance of reoccurrence based on memory.

Foot and mouth, BSE. Happened ages ago innit

SARS, Ebola - not our problem. We’re an island, we’ll be fine

Classic normalcy bias. Take the first easy answer and move on. The majority of humanity is a joke.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 02 May 20 7.15am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


The question is, if Jeremy Corbyn had won the election and was in exactly the same position, would you be as generous with him,

If Corbyn had won the last election he would be trying make friends with the virus

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 May 20 7.48am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In 2008 we committed 0.7% of GDP to PHE pursuing global health assistance and strategies for precisely this reason. We played a big role in managing the Ebola outbreak in 2014.

As with most events when it comes to humans - we quickly forget what happened in the near past and focus on the now. Do we really need that? We don’t need to fund that. I don’t remember that. It wasn’t that bad was it?

It’s not a political issue. It’s a human trait. It’s how we’re wired - history will always repeat itself until we have a system that can predict for us.

Cycle forward 12 years and adequate funding to prepare for this kind of scenario got binned a long time ago. We were simulating for pandemic response in 2012 (I think we know why in that specific scenario) And now here we are.

We’ve not done badly but let’s not kid ourselves and think we’ve done ‘well’.

To say no one knows how they’d prepare for it on the face of it is true - But also insanely obvious

What you’re not thinking about or even aware of is what was being done to help reduce the unknowns in this exact situation was killed off some time ago - and this is the result. We had a strategy and we got complacent, had to cut budgets (allegedly) and went for the thing they felt had the least chance of reoccurrence based on memory.

Foot and mouth, BSE. Happened ages ago innit

SARS, Ebola - not our problem. We’re an island, we’ll be fine

Classic normalcy bias. Take the first easy answer and move on. The majority of humanity is a joke.

I think there is a lot in what you say. We should also bear in mind that on an almost daily basis we are told of some great new threat. Last week we had a narrow miss with an asteroid where were our space lasers?

Governments have to assess threats and plan accordingly this is the first major virus threat in 100 years and yes our government got it wrong. We could plan for all sorts of possible threats and then the voters would be moaning about their taxes.

Damned if you do (wasting public money) damned if you don't.

Edited by Badger11 (02 May 2020 7.49am)

 


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