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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 May 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I have stayed away from this kind of thread recently as I believe it to be a distraction from the overwhelming priority we face as a country at the moment. At this time we need to support our government and put petty political arguments aside.

However, this is about Dominic Cummings who, whilst not part of the government, is impacting their ability to act by requiring them to answer how he lives his personal life. So the distraction has been caused by him, and it needs to be ended by him.

For me, this is an open and shut case. Whatever his personal circumstances, whether his child is autistic or not, he broke the rules that we were all, at that time, required to follow. Other "advisers" caught transgressing those rules have apologised and quickly resigned. This ought to be no different.

As a separate issue, I want to see the removal of ALL special political advisers to government. I believe they are an anathema and an affront to democracy.

Political parties can employ strategists but their work needs to be in the background, doing research and working on future campaigns.

We don't want our governments driven by advisers, who in Cumming's case is essentially a marketeer with a personal vision, who then design a populist agenda.

The civil service advises the government and provides the continuity that is essential for a smooth-running economy.

If the civil service is deemed to require an overhaul and an injection of new blood and fresh ideas, then it's our elected representatives in Parliament who are the only democratic method of making that decision.

Allowing someone like Cummings to even have an ounce of influence, let alone the control he seems to have grasped, sets an awful precedent.

So although he needs to now go in any event, him going would only be the start for me. All the political advisers need to go.

The Remain supporting gold plated pension Civil Service who have spent the last 4 years leaking against the elected government err no thanks.

Governments have always had advisors Cummings is no different to his predecessors. I don't know the man but Boris is in charge and he is entitled to have his own advisors if Cummings has done wrong then the establishment that you trust will no doubt bring him to book.

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 25 May 20 10.53am Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah...but no ones suggesting we break all rules.

Anarchy in the UK? Rings a bell.

But Our Glorious Leader said that it was ok for Dom as he used his instinct. Perhaps in future this will be known as the DomBo defence in court?

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 May 20 10.59am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

But Our Glorious Leader said that it was ok for Dom as he used his instinct. Perhaps in future this will be known as the DomBo defence in court?

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The guy drove to his parents with his family and autistic son.

I have to say I find the reaction as loony as anything I've heard over these three months....all by a far left media, who don't do social distancing anyway....some of the biggest slimy hypocrites out there.

It doesn't matter, he's going nowhere anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2020 11.04am)

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 25 May 20 11.04am Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

?

The guy drove to his parents with his family and autistic son.

I have to say I find the reaction as loony as anything I've heard over these three months.

It doesn't matter, he's going nowhere anyway.

He broke the rules. He should pay the price regardless of whether we agree with the rules or not.

 


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Originally posted by johnno42000

He broke the rules. He should pay the price regardless of whether we agree with the rules or not.

I don't agree....and the truth is that most people have broken the rules during this lockdown at some point.

The rules were completely unrealistic and the media are utter hypocrites.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2020 11.07am)

 


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View Cpfc1861's Profile Cpfc1861 Flag 25 May 20 11.07am Send a Private Message to Cpfc1861 Add Cpfc1861 as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

He broke the rules. He should pay the price regardless of whether we agree with the rules or not.

if you sacked everyone for breaking the rules there would be no MP'S left.

 

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View DANGERCLOSE's Profile DANGERCLOSE Flag london 25 May 20 11.09am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

?

The guy drove to his parents with his family and autistic son.

I have to say I find the reaction as loony as anything I've heard over these three months....all by a far left media, who don't do social distancing anyway....some of the biggest slimy hypocrites out there.

It doesn't matter, he's going nowhere anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2020 11.04am)

Agreed


 

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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 25 May 20 11.22am Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

if you sacked everyone for breaking the rules there would be no MP'S left.

He's not an MP, although I do agree that the rules should apply to everyone equally. This clearly isn't the case with Cummings.

 


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View johnno42000's Profile johnno42000 Flag 25 May 20 11.24am Send a Private Message to johnno42000 Add johnno42000 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't agree....and the truth is that most people have broken the rules during this lockdown at some point.

The rules were completely unrealistic and the media are utter hypocrites.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2020 11.07am)

When you have broken the rules you pay the price. I also don't agree with the rules but that doesn't make me exempt.

 


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View Cpfc1861's Profile Cpfc1861 Flag 25 May 20 11.31am Send a Private Message to Cpfc1861 Add Cpfc1861 as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

When you have broken the rules you pay the price. I also don't agree with the rules but that doesn't make me exempt.

But the reporters are exempt from the rules to because it supports the witch hunt.

 

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View Cpfc1861's Profile Cpfc1861 Flag 25 May 20 11.32am Send a Private Message to Cpfc1861 Add Cpfc1861 as a friend

Originally posted by johnno42000

He's not an MP, although I do agree that the rules should apply to everyone equally. This clearly isn't the case with Cummings.

I know he is not i was just generalising them all as one.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

The Remain supporting gold plated pension Civil Service who have spent the last 4 years leaking against the elected government err no thanks.

Governments have always had advisors Cummings is no different to his predecessors. I don't know the man but Boris is in charge and he is entitled to have his own advisors if Cummings has done wrong then the establishment that you trust will no doubt bring him to book.

There's a right way to change the style of the civil service, and a wrong way. If it's the will of the people, all the people and not just those called Cummings or Badger, then let it be so. Done via Parliament.

The civil service will have people supporting both remain and leave, although being closer to the realities of actual decision making I suspect there are more there who recognise the value of the EU than in the population as a whole.

Of course, a PM needs advisers. They can be drawn from the civil service and relied upon to give impartial advice. The political decisions need to be made by the politicians we elect and not influenced, in any way at all, by those with particular viewpoints who have inveigled their way into the heart of government.

 

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