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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 May 20 11.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

His son is autistic? Wow, seen no proof of that. Well, if he is the worst thing to do is to suddenly break his routine. Poor child. Everyone that knows about autism would recognise that as a major mistake.

His routine was going to be broken regardless.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 May 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The numbers of Covid are very much down, but I’m half watching the s*** show that is itv news and they’re pushing the Covid emergency as much as possible, then onto shops opening, back to Covid panic and then onto how local councils are seriously lacking funding now and in future. Oh and back to Covid panic and a Scottish nurse talking about her experience and how she hopes funding will increase, from an economy that doesn’t work.

Tonight I’ve seen doctors and nurses on all the news programmes in hospitals with no patients to treat, that they’ve admitted themselves, telling what it was like during the crisis. So now the crisis is closing, they’re telling us about when it was at its peak and then tell us about problems that can only be solved without fear being fed to the masses.

This is all seriously wrong. Boris and Cummings are guilty of this continuing, not keeping a four year old within immediate family. But it looks like they either don’t want it to look like they’ve got it a bit wrong and are willing to drag it out for longer, or they want us to believe they saved us when it looks like it’ll be inevitable that this hangs around for a while and we have to deal and accept it rather for a short while longer rather than think you can beat a virus with a lockdown that isn’t even a lockdown anyway.

We all ought to be grateful that the peak seems to be well past us now but that doesn't mean anyone got anything wrong. Decisions were taken, and hopefully will continue to be taken, on the best scientific advice available. This is, and always has been, about effective risk management. When the risk of overwhelming the NHS was too great we locked down. With a stalled economy and a restless population, the risk assessments change.

The crisis isn't though closing. That's a foolish assumption. It's entering another unpredictable phase. It feels to me like the start of a summer lull, in which the risk of transmission has been diminished by social distancing and more time in the open air. The real test will arrive in the Autumn if, as seems likely, no vaccine is found by then. I read that the decreasing level of infections has the knock-on undesirable side effect of making the vaccine trials harder, as there are fewer people to run tests with.

You don't beat a virus with anything other than a vaccine. Lockdown doesn't beat the virus. It manages the risk. Even one which is imperfect as this is.

None of which has anything to do with the need for Johnson to deal with Cummings and demonstrate who is actually running our country.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 26 May 20 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Cummings snd Boris are guilty of dragging this lockdown, or furlough actually, out for longer.

You want to stay in this state for what might happen in the autumn? Let’s say November when everything is indoors again. Oh that’s when full furlough is supposed to end. End of October. What a joke. I’m glad you’re not chief advisor. I’d rather Rishi Sunak called they shots now.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 May 20 6.43am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

His son is autistic? Wow, seen no proof of that. Well, if he is the worst thing to do is to suddenly break his routine. Poor child. Everyone that knows about autism would recognise that as a major mistake.

But maybe he sees the nieces on a regular basis and if he has attachment to them, this would help him wouldn’t it? A close friend of mine has 2 autistic children and they form attachments to those they can trust not just to people they live with

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 May 20 6.49am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The evidence you seek is in the intelligence report that was held back prior to the last GE.

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I have no more read that report than anyone else but I have read enough leaks given to sources I trust to firmly believe it to be true.

Indeed the Mueller report into the Russian interference into the 2016 US Presidential election gave some hints of this. The Germans and the Australians are saying much the same things about interference in their elections. It really doesn't need too much logical deduction to be made to understand that this is true. We know that Dominic Grieve was pushing very hard to have this published prior to the election but Johnson held it back. (I smell Cummings all over that decision by the way).

Why would Grieve do that unless the report contains such damaging information that it might have swayed the election result? 2+2 usually = 4.

Funny how leaks from sources are fine when it suits your own agenda. Dominic Grieve! You mean the Tory rebel who was determined to stop the majority having what they voted for, how he must hate BJ and DC

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 May 20 6.53am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Do you demand proof of autism as well now if not it must be assumed he is lying but even so autism has a massive range of spectrums some prefer a constant familiar routine others are always wanting constant change some are very intelligent some are very simple autism requires flexibility depending on the individual child's needs which is why it's such a difficult disability to be managed as a whole.

Indeed just finishing watching the A Word, excellent viewing imo

 

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In the early days Singapore received a lot of praise for the way it dealt with the virus tracking down the hotspots, quarantines and travel restrictions.

However recently the infection has spiked and according to the BBC Singapore now has the highest number of infections in Asia.

Of course many Asian countries can't or won't report their numbers correctly but this rather does go to the article I posted yesterday where the experts said that some countries have delayed rather than beaten the virus, and it will be another 6 months before they can say who has done well or badly.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That though is the point.

Cummings is NOT "thousands" of other people. He is partly the architect of the rules and known to be the closest adviser to the PM. Other people get fined if caught. We understand and we forgive because we are human and have families too.

Whatever sympathy you might have for him on a personal level is totally beside the point. If the public perception is such that it negatively impacts the government's own strategy then he has to go. Johnson can express all the regrets he likes and stay in touch over the phone and zoom, but the public need to know that when people like him break the rules they get sacked. Just as other, lesser, advisers have been.

I see nothing other than honest factual reporting of an extremely serious issue here. If what he did deserves the sack, Johson doesn't sack him and that is forecasted to cost lives, then that is the biggest story at the moment. Of course it's going to get wall to wall coverage.


The public perception is largely at the mercy of the media. The media want to get rid of Cummings. What he did or didn't do is of little consequence unless the media want to make it so.

Is this too difficult for you? Or are you being deliberately obtuse as usual?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That though is the point.

Cummings is NOT "thousands" of other people. He is partly the architect of the rules and known to be the closest adviser to the PM. Other people get fined if caught. We understand and we forgive because we are human and have families too.

Whatever sympathy you might have for him on a personal level is totally beside the point. If the public perception is such that it negatively impacts the government's own strategy then he has to go. Johnson can express all the regrets he likes and stay in touch over the phone and zoom, but the public need to know that when people like him break the rules they get sacked. Just as other, lesser, advisers have been.

I see nothing other than honest factual reporting of an extremely serious issue here. If what he did deserves the sack, Johson doesn't sack him and that is forecasted to cost lives, then that is the biggest story at the moment. Of course it's going to get wall to wall coverage.

So if he was fined £60, that would close the issue for you?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 27 May 20 8.23am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Do you demand proof of autism as well now if not it must be assumed he is lying but even so autism has a massive range of spectrums some prefer a constant familiar routine others are always wanting constant change some are very intelligent some are very simple autism requires flexibility depending on the individual child's needs which is why it's such a difficult disability to be managed as a whole.

To be lying he would have to have said it. Not have his stooges imply it on social media.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 May 20 8.50am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

To be lying he would have to have said it. Not have his stooges imply it on social media.

Serious question, so do you not believe it then?

 

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