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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Sep 20 3.00pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

There's definitely an element to that, but people are who they are at the time when a pandemic presents itself. If we go through various versions of 'what do you expect, theyre old' ,what do you expect, they're vulnerable' 'what do you expect, theyre fat'.. these are still people being impacted by it. 70 million adults in the US are obese. That's a very poor life choice (and one that hopefully some have addressed in recent months, but I doubt many), but in relation to its impact it's still noteworthy when something like this is passing through.

And yet in some states instead of coming out of lockdown just a bit sensibly they put themselves in as much risk as possible to get a barber’s cut or tattoo or have a Sunday truck and barbecue drink day they have. I have limited sympathy for people with virtually no individual responsibility. Lots around here do btw.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Sep 20 3.03pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

BJ, you’re trying to vilify people like Carl Heneghan, Karol Sikorsky and Michael Yeadon. Doctors, professors and Yeadon is both and a former respiratory researcher for Pfizer. They are not messaging from their phone in a basement that you’re accusing them of on your phone probably. I’ve even come across one moron saying ‘well that’s youtube’, as if YouTube is an opinion or person rather than a platform. That’s coming from a brainless bbc Brainwashing Broadcasting Channel.

On the contrary, I am most often careful to put across what I say as a possibility and something that is worth noting as an aspect of what is occurring. In contrast to that there are a great number of things stated as fact in the thread that clearly are not. If comments fall on one side of some kind of imagined 'side' they're not questioned in the slightest not matter how out there they are and are often applauded, if they're on the other the magnifying glass comes out. It's more about protecting an adopted position than honest appraisal.

Case in point, I'm not vilifying individuals I've never even mentioned, let alone commented on. Saying that using sources such as two year old websites that look like they've been created in a basement overnight is certainly a comment on the platform, but very obviously not every individual that that is ever mentioned on it. 'Of course' there are schools of thought, the one person above I did comment on, Michael Yeadon, I said that I agreed with him that there are some false positives, but thought it was silly when he said early on that they might 'all' be false positives. Sounds like a balanced take to me, rather than vilifying. As usual on here though displaying a level of balance holds little value.

I don't recall you reeling off the credentials of those who held a stance or opinion you disagree with and holding back or respecting their position as result. Many of the studies and thoughts in recent articles I've posted have been contributed to by multiple respiratory experts. You just rubbish them like you do everything else that doesn't fit what you'd prefer to hear.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2020 8.34pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Sep 20 3.16pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And yet in some states instead of coming out of lockdown just a bit sensibly they put themselves in as much risk as possible to get a barber’s cut or tattoo or have a Sunday truck and barbecue drink day they have. I have limited sympathy for people with virtually no individual responsibility. Lots around here do btw.

That's America for you.

 

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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Sep 20 3.24pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I keep it simpler than that, I don’t trust anyone I don’t know any more. The world is full of scroungers and chancers. I wouldn’t want to be born into this world right now that’s for sure. Don’t care if this is a sad way to be.

I could be described as centre left and i always thought it was the hard right that were government housekeepers ,and i certainly don"t trust the CONS so i"m afraid i have to disagree with W"s post!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Sep 20 3.26pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Tbh I've got every reason to want it to be fake news. I mean I smoke tabs got RA a type 1 son and a job around different people. My mrs works in a school and my daughter works in the care sector.
We are and have all carried on working. It doesnt mean I disbelieve how dangerous C19 is. A recent study has nearly 50% of people who have had it ,even mildy or even asymptomatic fatigued 3 months after it's gone or if you didnt even know and had it. I said earlier in a post that the worry for all countries isnt for the now as people die all the time from various things. It is for us,our futures. There is very little known about the long term effects of this. The financial burden the world could face ref that will put the present hardship as loose change. If it is proved to be true then herd immunity which is so garnered by many could be worse than total avoidance.

You've clearly said 'stuff the politics of it this way and that' and people claiming to be able to tell the future and are worried for how this might pan out for you and yours. It's a perfectly valid concern where there are a variety of health issues going on and I hope that when all is said and done things are good with you all. There's a good chance you'll all be fine, but as the months tick by and better treatments and a vaccine (hopefully) emerge there will at least be further reasons to dial down any worry. You've done alright so far . All the best.


I'll make this my last contribution to the thread. It's perhaps not turned out to be the best place to talk about this issue in a reciprocal and worthwhile way. Good luck to all. Some may come to need it much more than they realise.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2020 4.29pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Sep 20 7.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You've clearly said 'stuff the politics of it this way and that' and people claiming to be able to tell the future and are worried for how this might pan out for you and yours. It's a perfectly valid concern where there are a variety of health issues going on and I hope that when all is said and done things are good with you all. There's a good chance you'll all be fine, but as the months tick by and better treatments and a vaccine (hopefully) emerge there will at least be further reasons to dial down any worry. You've done alright so far . All the best.


I'll make this my last contribution to the thread. It's perhaps not turned out to be the best place to talk about this issue in a reciprocal and worthwhile way. Good luck to all. Some may come to need it much more than they realise.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2020 4.29pm)

Ta fella.
Dont be a stranger to giving your opinion.
I would like to be wrong on every point I've supported and made on this thread.
It goes against a majority, on here.
I would though still like to know why there would be any mileage for global governments to ostracize their voting base? It's clear if; as some say it's about control it isnt working so the first question still stands.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 18 Sep 20 9.26pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

BJ - do you think that the closing of the NHS to (pretty much) all but Covid cases, the many millions of jobs that will be lost, the increased poverty, damage to peoples mental health, the significant (to be determined) number of avoidable deaths that will happen due to non identified illnesses (cancer/stroke etc), the damage to children’s education, the loss of personal freedoms is a price worth paying to “protect” against this virus?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Sep 20 9.40pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

BJ - do you think that the closing of the NHS to (pretty much) all but Covid cases, the many millions of jobs that will be lost, the increased poverty, damage to peoples mental health, the significant (to be determined) number of avoidable deaths that will happen due to non identified illnesses (cancer/stroke etc), the damage to children’s education, the loss of personal freedoms is a price worth paying to “protect” against this virus?

why are governments worldwide prepared to do what they're doing. Are they all stupid or is there more to do with this than many seem to know about.
What freedoms have you lost then,I mean really lost.
Cant go pub, avoid close contact with family and friends, get paid for not working. All to protect those with a to date non identified illness potentially.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 Sep 20 11.53pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

You've clearly said 'stuff the politics of it this way and that' and people claiming to be able to tell the future and are worried for how this might pan out for you and yours. It's a perfectly valid concern where there are a variety of health issues going on and I hope that when all is said and done things are good with you all. There's a good chance you'll all be fine, but as the months tick by and better treatments and a vaccine (hopefully) emerge there will at least be further reasons to dial down any worry. You've done alright so far . All the best.


I'll make this my last contribution to the thread. It's perhaps not turned out to be the best place to talk about this issue in a reciprocal and worthwhile way. Good luck to all. Some may come to need it much more than they realise.

Edited by BlueJay (18 Sep 2020 4.29pm)

This is why I end up ‘rubbishing’ as you put it. I was talking to a pensioner this week and he is counting on a vaccine and seems to believe the last tv appearance talking about a vaccine is the one coming, but can’t accept the fact there’s been dozens of others that have raised the same hopes but go quiet, because guess what, they fail.

There are far too many people unwilling to deal and live with the virus and aren’t as concerned with financial health and all health for that matter in their blinkered Covid view of the world 2020-21-22-23. That is why I’m dismissive. The Chris Whitty’s and similar would pauper us to keep people alive who’d probably die in a flu season on the way. ‘Oh long Covid long Covid.’ Yeah let’s forget cancer with people who WILL die without treating them. ‘But you can’t catch cancer.’ Well you can take precautions then or shield your vulnerable family. These tits just prove how weak some in the West are.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Sep 2020 12.14am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Sep 20 12.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

why are governments worldwide prepared to do what they're doing. Are they all stupid or is there more to do with this than many seem to know about.
What freedoms have you lost then,I mean really lost.
Cant go pub, avoid close contact with family and friends, get paid for not working. All to protect those with a to date non identified illness potentially.

Several reasons along the lines of

They’re in so deep they can’t get out of it

They don’t have an exit strategy. Tories don’t. Labour is flawed based on test/trace that’s faulty and would require testing everyone constantly to the point you may as well lockdown

They do things like masks because enough call for it and it’s better to do it than not and be blamed with ‘its because you didn’t’

They could be threatening lockdown to either withdraw it a la ‘Yes Minister’ so we get the good news after the leaked bad news.
Or they don’t lockdown and never intended to because they know it’s pointless, or could make the situation worse but definitely poorer. They can then say they intended to but didn’t because it wasn’t what the country wanted after leaked by govt in the media.

I don’t go in for conspiracy theories. They just don’t have a clue because there’s no exit strategy or aim with what they’re doing. Oh and the govt has inexperienced people at the top andcwithout the credentials and used an excel modeller with an awful record in virus predictions it’s criminal yet got so spooked by him it’s why they got in so deep and sent the delicate character types into a permanent state of neurosis.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Sep 20 2.06am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

BJ - do you think that the closing of the NHS to (pretty much) all but Covid cases, the many millions of jobs that will be lost, the increased poverty, damage to peoples mental health, the significant (to be determined) number of avoidable deaths that will happen due to non identified illnesses (cancer/stroke etc), the damage to children’s education, the loss of personal freedoms is a price worth paying to “protect” against this virus?

I have little interest in a second lockdown, so the answer would be no. That's the problem here. People are assuming others hold a certain stance when they post anything that isn't some across the board ridiculous one tone take. Not all information and data fits neatly into a limited tick box A or B political picture, but unfortunately that is how everything is framed here. As stated, I'm done discussing the topic, so hopefully that answers your question. Thanks.


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Sep 20 2.28am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This is why I end up ‘rubbishing’ as you put it. I was talking to a pensioner this week and he is counting on a vaccine and seems to believe the last tv appearance talking about a vaccine is the one coming, but can’t accept the fact there’s been dozens of others that have raised the same hopes but go quiet, because guess what, they fail.

As I have said numerous times, it's near impossible that a vaccine would be 100% effective and that more realistically we'd be looking at something that would be effective in a decent proportion of people and or reduce the most severe cases. It's likely with so many candidates that there will be a somewhat effective vaccine out before long. Expect to see Mr Trump pushing it too, and since there is a pointlessly political tinge to it all attitudes will probably change in favour of it on some fronts due to that.

If you took the time to think about why I posted what I did to Cryst, it was because Cryst and his family are already all working and hence whatever danger and health issues combo is present, it is what it is. The point of my message was to say that there are already better treatments for the worse cases and that vaccine would be another tool in the toolkit to offer a degree of protection and reduce concerns. That's pretty much why people get their flu jab each year too, though in this case, an effective covid-19 jab would likely be magnitudes more important to some demographics.

In any case, as I had said to Cryst, I don't think it's useful for me to add much more. Just wanted to answer your reply to me so good luck and good health to you and yours over the coming months.

 

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