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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Oct 20 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Take a breath and calm down.

Nothing you've said above has the least bit to do what my reply to the poster and the effectiveness or otherwise of the flu jab.

If someone states something that is inaccurate and ludicrous about how 'useless' the flu jab is, I am happy to correct that with a more complete take that covers the pros and cons. If that leads to you throwing your toys out of the pram about it, I can't really say that I care about that.

Previously 'chipping' and 'confirmity' were stated reason by others for vaccination, and so I was asking him what his take was. So if you're going to pipe up in the conversation at least have something to say rather than a desperation to prop up certain outlooks.

If you're only comforted by half complete tosh that supports your little coping mechanism, whine about it to someone else. Get a grip.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 3.39pm)

Climb down. I’ve been carrying on close to normal all year. I don’t need a coping mechanism lol, and after the initial outbreak, I’ve seen this for what it is. The problem is the ‘until the vaccine’ group coping mechanism.

Next up I expect the positive tests in student towns and cities to continue falling but it’ll be because of tiers 2 or 3. I expect it’ll be ‘more desperation to prop up our outlook’, ‘supported by tosh.’

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 20 4.11pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Climb down. I’ve been carrying on close to normal all year. I don’t need a coping mechanism lol, and after the initial outbreak, I’ve seen this for what it is. The problem is the ‘until the vaccine’ group coping mechanism.

Next up I expect the positive tests in student towns and cities to continue falling but it’ll be because of tiers 2 or 3. I expect it’ll be ‘more desperation to prop up our outlook’, ‘support by tosh.’

Congratulations. You absolutely use this thread to cope with this time. There's a bit more to coping with all aspects of a pandemic and how society deals with it than walking out of your front door. I dare say most here have had a meal out or a few pints every now and again unless they are shielding. You've hardly climbing kilimanjaro in doing so.

If someone posts something that's clearly ludicrously one sided about flu vaccines, and someone else fleshes it out, and the latter post is what you latch onto, that says a lot more about your mentality than anyone elses. You're not interested in a balanced take, and all it shows is that you have zero quality control over what you want to believe, and an endlessly antagonistic approach to anything you're not interested in hearing. Whatever gets you through the day.


Quote Next up I expect the positive tests in student towns and cities to continue falling but it’ll be because of tiers 2 or 3. I expect it’ll be ‘more desperation to prop up our outlook’, ‘support by tosh.

I wouldn't claim to know the extent that localised tier 2 and 3 lockdowns (while other areas are 'open for business') would have on specific areas. And as you say, positive tests may well fall in student areas being that masses of students will get the virus at the same time. It may also be that they remain relatively high on account of community spread from said students. Oh no, i've made one point, and then stated another rational factor that might factor in. I should 'get on message' rather than express considered thought. The guillotine for me!

For many very elderly and vulnerable (those that are still with us), a vaccine is something that they are well within their rights to hope for and hold out for. It's funny that people display such a s*** attitude towards the elderly that feel that you'd probably die soon anyway, or are a bunch of 'coping mechanism' fools if they're living a quieter than usual life and looking to a vaccine that has a decent chance of saving their lives.


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 17 Oct 20 4.13pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The political will has overcome any scientific suggestions. That is the harsh reality. I am not saying either stance is right or wrong.

The thing that is lacking is a co-ordinated political/scientific solution.

"pi55ing in the wind" is a scientific phrase that springs to mind, for me. Or "Fiddling whilst Rome burns", is but another.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Oct 20 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

That was funny.

Especially the final paragraph which doesn’t sound like older people I’ve spoken to. And anyway, it’s the government and more the woke, liberal 30+ who sound like the ones deluding themselves the most. Actually there’s a lot of this in the age group a bit below retirement age. I heard from someone recently after he’d spoken to someone in his 90’s and he said they don’t know what they’re doing to the country by destroying it. Actually I can’t be bothered to elaborate on what he thinks.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Oct 20 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The political will has overcome any scientific suggestions. That is the harsh reality. I am not saying either stance is right or wrong.

The thing that is lacking is a co-ordinated political/scientific solution.

"pi55ing in the wind" is a scientific phrase that springs to mind, for me. Or "Fiddling whilst Rome burns", is but another.

It shouldn’t be just those two things, but yes, I agree.

Ask anyone on the restrictions & (maybe) lockdown side a when or what if not on the vaccine arrival and you get nothing.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 17 Oct 20 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Compartmentalizing people is not helping cohesion today's UK society.
WOKE, Lefties, Righties, BLM, GL is only creating unnecessary divisions within society.

Black History month, being another separatist movement, along with black music.. This will only end badly.

And back to CV. Loads of BS and nothing of substance from the UK Government.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Oct 2020 4.49pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 20 5.00pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

That was funny.

Especially the final paragraph which doesn’t sound like older people I’ve spoken to. And anyway, it’s the government and more the woke, liberal 30+ who sound like the ones deluding themselves the most. Actually there’s a lot of this in the age group a bit below retirement age. I heard from someone recently after he’d spoken to someone in his 90’s and he said they don’t know what they’re doing to the country by destroying it. Actually I can’t be bothered to elaborate on what he thinks.

Well, old people who get ill with or have real concerns about covid-19 get greeted on here with 'they would die soon anyway', and so by that logic I don't suppose what your 90+ year old mate thinks is worth much to some anyway outside of the fact that he's in agreement with you so you use him to make a point.

As stated, beyond your one tone take, it's clearly perfectly logical for the elderly and vulnerable to be hoping for a vaccine. I'm not saying it's even dead set to happen, but it's hardly out there to think that there will be one over the next few months and rubbishing it or attacking the elderly that are living carefully as if they're fools holding out for a dream isn't particularly accurate or helpful.

If you keep needlessly latching onto and rubbishing absolutely every single considered and fleshed out thought that doesn't perfectly align with your ludicrously simplified view, don't expect others not to respond, and if you keep it up, to return the favour.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.15pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 20 5.05pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The political will has overcome any scientific suggestions. That is the harsh reality. I am not saying either stance is right or wrong.

The thing that is lacking is a co-ordinated political/scientific solution.

"pi55ing in the wind" is a scientific phrase that springs to mind, for me. Or "Fiddling whilst Rome burns", is but another.

Yes, we'd have been better sticking with a plan that achieved a degree of balance. A total lockdown for months followed by a 50% off 100 million meal giveaway that had places heaving clearly didn't fit together well as a solution. It was the lurching of one extreme to the other. A blind faith that things what somehow just work out.

On the plus side, there are better treatments out now, so for those up against it there are more ways to get them through. And also, and I know saying anything positive is some kind of taboo, but if a vaccine is available over the next few months that may well be a further valuable and in a sense the final took in the toolkit for even the most vulnerable and elderly to get back to normal.

I do think that daily positives were likely much higher in the 'first wave' due to a lack of testing, so however bad the daily total are now, a better metric I feel would be deaths, as we have to go with something (I'm not one who goes in for all of the 'no number means anything because I can cobble together one sided reasons to disbelieve them). I don't believe these will reach prior levels and so that too is a plus and may offer some a sense of perspective. Looking at other countries that would appear to be the case too. It's already ripped through high risk environments like homes, because perplexingly they're the only groups that the government didn't really have much of a plan for.


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Originally posted by BlueJay

Well, old people who get ill with or have real concerns about covid-19 get greeted on here with 'they would die soon anyway', and so by that logic I don't suppose what your 90+ year old mate thinks is worth much to some anyway outside of the fact that he's in agreement with you so you use him to make a point.

As stated, beyond your one tone take, it's clearly perfectly logical for the elderly and vulnerable to be hoping for a vaccine. I'm not saying it's even dead set to happen, but it's hardly out there to think that there will be one over the next few months and rubbishing it or attacking the elderly that are living carefully as if they're fools holding out for a dream isn't particularly accurate or helpful.

If you keep needlessly latching onto and rubbishing absolutely every single considered and fleshed out thought that doesn't perfectly align with your ludicrously simplified view, don't expect others not to respond, and if you keep it up, to return the favour.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.15pm)

I don’t think you quite understand. Many much older people including over 70’s around these areas have their feet on the ground. It’s the entitled products of Britain who think they come before the people this will end up costing.

And won’t ever put themselves out or forward to help anyone out. For example, the vulnerable. Just tokens of virtue all the time. It quite frankly makes no difference to me personally what happens, which makes this coping mechanism poke absolutely hilarious for me to read. But I do care about what we are doing to our country. Which is what the elderly I’ve spoken to say as well.

They don’t want the country destroyed for their benefit so they can go to the supermarket which can be made safe anyway. And that’s happened there is they brought in masks and stopped the queuing. What? May as well have left it as it was. Why isn’t there queuing or queue skipping for the elderly?

They think it’s fvcking absurd and it’s the people who agree with this nonsense that need to get a grip.

For a 2nd phase that isn’t going to be anywhere near as bad as spring and we’re destroying everything. Nah. Country run by health people is why.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Oct 2020 5.41pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 20 5.38pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don’t think you quite understand. Many much older people including over 70’s around these areas have their feet on the ground. It’s the entitled products of Britain who think they come before the people this will end up costing.

Here we go again. Elderly people who are less concerned 'have their feet on the ground', and elderly being careful for now are naive 'coping mechanism' types for holding out for a vaccine that's 'not likely' (or 'actually funny' as you put it). You're incapable of viewing anything in a way that isn't either/or.

People can assess their own risk and hopefully make good choices. My point is that this virus is unlikely to go away, and as such if someone is in an especially susceptible group, it's hardly that out there for them to be hopeful that a vaccine will become available that could potentially make a big difference to their quality of life and confidence in getting out there more. If you potentially have about ten years to live, it's not a 'bad bet' to wait for study results to come in over the next couple of months to know where you likely stand.

Not every single sensible point has to be some staging ground for a pointless argument.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.41pm)

 

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It’s probably more the Karen’s hoping on a vaccine and flipping out about it. That’s their right and nature, or so they believe.

It’s just brilliant when you ask intelligent people on when on a vaccine they go blank. Nothing.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Oct 20 5.47pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I don’t think you quite understand. Many much older people including over 70’s around these areas have their feet on the ground. It’s the entitled products of Britain who think they come before the people this will end up costing.

And won’t ever put themselves out or forward to help anyone out. For example, the vulnerable. Just tokens of virtue all the time. It quite frankly makes no difference to me personally what happens, which makes this coping mechanism poke absolutely hilarious for me to read. But I do care about what we are doing to our country. Which is what the elderly I’ve spoken to say as well.

They don’t want the country destroyed for their benefit so they can go to the supermarket which can be made safe anyway. And that’s happened there is they brought in masks and stopped the queuing. What? May as well have left it as it was. Why isn’t there queuing or queue skipping for the elderly?

They think it’s fvcking absurd and it’s the people who agree with this nonsense that need to get a grip.

For a 2nd phase that isn’t going to be anywhere near as bad as spring and we’re destroying everything. Nah. Country run by health people is why.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Oct 2020 5.41pm)

You just seem to go on vague rants about how you feel about society with little connection to what anyone has actually said to you. Again, its the stressball approach to deal with what's happening. I commented on hope for a vaccine for the elderly and why I can appreciate them holding out for one and how they potentially have their place in getting some through this. For how 'hilarious' you apparently find all of this i'm not seeing much humour in your outlook. But maybe you're dressed as a clown who knows.

Edited by BlueJay (17 Oct 2020 5.57pm)

 

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