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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Mar 20 11.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've heard that McDonalds are shutting everything from tomorrow night......this sh1t just got real.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2020 11.33pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Mar 20 11.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Fair point re: stress levels and I don’t wish to raise levels of anxiety unnecessarily. My worry is if we don’t point out these issues now, once this is over and the dust has settled we go back to doing the same.

There is going to be a serious increase in spending to combat this, and my concern is that once this is all finished they use the crisis as excuse for another 10 years of austerity.

I do echo my original sentiments though regarding the U.K. population acting like idiots stems from weak leadership. You can’t ‘advise’ people not to go to the pubs, you tell them as leader don’t go. They should be running public health videos in every advert break explaining the risks of spreading etc. We have had 5/6 years of dialogue in the media in the U.K. about not listening to experts/politicians so I’m not surprised that the public are still ignoring expert advice. To clarify that’s not a snipe about brexit more Gove’s remarks ‘I think we’ve had enough of experts’ etc.

I get the weak leadership bit but unfortunatly across the board for years,our politicians since maggie have been weak period.
Us as a nation have been told we are all equal and you can do what you want,be what you want,liberty this,dont tell me that,authority doesnt matter the list is infinite and respect is gone.
Someone has to be in charge.you dont have to agree with them or like their policies but at the moment boris and co are that. Being told doesnt go down well due to the above but I think we are about to feel authority like we havent known in years.
A shock is coming due to not using the advice given.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Mar 20 11.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've heard that McDonalds are shutting everything from tomorrow night......this sh1t just got real.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2020 11.33pm)

And nandos

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Mar 20 11.42pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've heard that McDonalds are shutting everything from tomorrow night......this sh1t just got real.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2020 11.33pm)

Could cause anarchy that measure. The people who buy that cannot behave. Irrational and no responsibility. I don’t think the food causes it but it doesn’t help it. I wouldn’t mind the ignorant taking one.

 


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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 22 Mar 20 11.50pm Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's a paradoxical statement.....As for masks, they are of limited use as has been stated many times.

Mmmmm....the number of detected cases can perhaps be argued away....what can't be are the deaths.....and Japan has a higher average age, much higher population than Germany and much lower deaths rates.....As for anomalies, they don't exist when you are talking about populations of tens of millions of people.

While I have little doubt the speed of implementation differed in European countries....indeed even as a layman I and others here criticised it....The reality is that once the elites took it seriously the approaches have been very similar.

What you seem to want to attack here is the video's rather obvious conclusion that a homogeneous population with common conservative cultural practices deal far better with this....the video states them.

I think there there is perhaps a difference between what is real and what you would prefer to believe.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2020 10.04pm)

Exactly my point the conclusion drawn doesn’t stack up, for the hypothesis to be correct, it should be easily applicable elsewhere. Iran has similar rate of immigration (2.8% vs 3.4% in Japan and Iran respectively), both countries have at their core a unity in their held common conservative cultural practices, yet the levels of infection in Iran are very high. This leads me to believe that it is actually down to the way these countries tackled the virus as opposed to the diversity in make up of population as the video heavily infers.

I just find the video leaps from pointing out the obvious factors that slow the spread such as reduced touching, to making a heavy handed and unevidenced point about diversity. That’s the problem with these kinds of social science videos on YouTube, very little statistical evidence to back up a whole lot of personal feeling.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Mar 20 11.59pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Exactly my point the conclusion drawn doesn’t stack up, for the hypothesis to be correct, it should be easily applicable elsewhere. Iran has similar rate of immigration (2.8% vs 3.4% in Japan and Iran respectively), both countries have at their core a unity in their held common conservative cultural practices, yet the levels of infection in Iran are very high. This leads me to believe that it is actually down to the way these countries tackled the virus as opposed to the diversity in make up of population as the video heavily infers.

I just find the video leaps from pointing out the obvious factors that slow the spread such as reduced touching, to making a heavy handed and unevidenced point about diversity. That’s the problem with these kinds of social science videos on YouTube, very little statistical evidence to back up a whole lot of personal feeling.

Re the family post earlier. As italy and Spain.

 

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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Exactly my point the conclusion drawn doesn’t stack up, for the hypothesis to be correct, it should be easily applicable elsewhere. Iran has similar rate of immigration (2.8% vs 3.4% in Japan and Iran respectively), both countries have at their core a unity in their held common conservative cultural practices, yet the levels of infection in Iran are very high. This leads me to believe that it is actually down to the way these countries tackled the virus as opposed to the diversity in make up of population as the video heavily infers.

I just find the video leaps from pointing out the obvious factors that slow the spread such as reduced touching, to making a heavy handed and unevidenced point about diversity. That’s the problem with these kinds of social science videos on YouTube, very little statistical evidence to back up a whole lot of personal feeling.

I think your first paragraph makes good points. It's true it isn't just about being homogeneous.....the homogeneous point means that similar cultural attitudes towards social distancing will result in either very good figures or very bad figures.

Obviously the common cultural behaviours in Japan are significantly different to the common cultural behaviours in Iran.

The video is stressing that in Japan, attitudes and practices are more culturally compatible with a successful approach towards pandemics....and being homogeneous is a significant help when that is the case.

In the far more diverse west, a lack of unity is very much an impediment to combating an illness like this....The video also makes that point and is correct to do so.

I believe the eventual break down of statistics will reveal this as well.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2020 1.13am)

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Could cause anarchy that measure. The people who buy that cannot behave. Irrational and no responsibility. I don’t think the food causes it but it doesn’t help it. I wouldn’t mind the ignorant taking one.

Guilty pleasure as charged.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Mar 20 12.15am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've heard that McDonalds are shutting everything from tomorrow night......this sh1t just got real.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Mar 2020 11.33pm)

I would not be surprised to see some hair and beauty salons closing as well due to social distancing.The only establishments open will be supermarkets, corner shops,petrol stations and the likes of Tesco Express.

This afternoon I was informed that a cash machine had been taped up and a shop was only accepting cards as the handling of money was deemed to add to the spread of the virus.The 'Lockdown' is in full swing.

Edited by Willo (23 Mar 2020 12.24am)

 

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Originally posted by Willo

I would not be surprised to see some hair and beauty salons closing as well due to social distancing.The only establishments open will be supermarkets, corner shops,petrol stations and the likes of Tesco Express.

This afternoon I was informed that a cash machine had been taped up and a shop was only accepting cards as the handling of money was deemed to add to the spread of the virus.The 'Lockdown' is in full swing.

Edited by Willo (23 Mar 2020 12.24am)

Anything not really essential is going to suffer for quite a long time. Well staff will go anyway. Not sure about barbers but I hope the 7 day money laundering Afghan barbers for drug dealers aren’t the only ones left.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

And nandos

Cue petrol bombs

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Harvey Weinstein has it now. That might relieve a few folk in Hollywood.

I didn't know you could get it from anal sex.

 


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