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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 20 Feb 21 11.29am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

My concern is not what has happened - we cannot change that -however looking forward with the case numbers falling dramatically and the large take up of the vaccine the government rhetoric still appears to be more of the same, social distance, wear masks, stay home, keep everything shut etc and the constant shifting of the goal posts from “not overwhelming” the NHS to a zero Covid position.

I cannot believe that there is anyone now who does not recognise the immense damage being done both economically and healthwise through these continued lockdowns and we should now be looking to lift these very quickly and lets hope that Johnson delivers on this next week.

If he fails on this I would hope to see some movement to remove him and hancock.

I think both feel the pressure from their party.

I will be highly surprised if schools aren't returned from the 8th.

As to the economic damage....but the time debt repayments become unrealistic none of these politicians will be in office....though in truth, they are just the latest in a long line of policy makers adding further damage to the economy.

Expect considerable tax rises where the working and middle classes get to pointlessly pay for the decisions of the insulated elites.

Though few who supported things from March last year can complain.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2021 1.46pm)

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Feb 21 11.52am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

I feel the policies are motivated by 2 factors.

Resources. Not an area of public service was not diminished by diversion of funds to the sacred cow NHS. Lockdown has accelerated that trend and has given a dystopian view of the health service bearing the atlas burden of an ever aging population. While there is a desperate need to massively increase private sector intervention in healthcare, short term, lockdown is justifiable to protect resources from being overwhelmed. This argument is convincing.

Voting tendency. The old are now so numerous and have a higher tendency to vote. Governments know that any apparent preference for the young and working population will not be forgotten. Thus, to stay in power they must create policies that prefer the issues of anxious and isolated voting old folk over the needs of the economy and the decimation of the less voting young. As Stirling says those forming the policy will be on the lucrative book signing lecture circuit by the time the real impact is felt. This I find callous and abhorrent.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Feb 21 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I feel the policies are motivated by 2 factors.

Resources. Not an area of public service was not diminished by diversion of funds to the sacred cow NHS. Lockdown has accelerated that trend and has given a dystopian view of the health service bearing the atlas burden of an ever aging population. While there is a desperate need to massively increase private sector intervention in healthcare, short term, lockdown is justifiable to protect resources from being overwhelmed. This argument is convincing.

Voting tendency. The old are now so numerous and have a higher tendency to vote. Governments know that any apparent preference for the young and working population will not be forgotten. Thus, to stay in power they must create policies that prefer the issues of anxious and isolated voting old folk over the needs of the economy and the decimation of the less voting young. As Stirling says those forming the policy will be on the lucrative book signing lecture circuit by the time the real impact is felt. This I find callous and abhorrent.

There's an episode of the Simpsons when a curfew law is proposed something like 6pm it passes because the elderly vote whilst the young moan and can't be bothered. Never a true word...

 


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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Feb 21 1.15pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

There's an episode of the Simpsons when a curfew law is proposed something like 6pm it passes because the elderly vote whilst the young moan and can't be bothered. Never a true word...

Quite. Triple lock pension based on age not means, TV licence, prescriptions, transport passes - all vote bribes.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Feb 21 1.36pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't think it is a secret that establishing exact cause of death is something that coroners spend too much time on unless there is a good reason.
Ultimately everyone dies because their heart fails, but the exact cause of that is often a little tougher to pin down.

I read once that everyone dies from one symptom no matter how they die.
Lack of oxygen to the brain. That's it!
Blown up, drowned,shot,stabbed,cancer or covid.

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Feb 21 1.36pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

If masks work? vaccines work? & lock downs work? then enough of this bullcrap & open up.
If you feel your at risk stay indoors whilst the rest of us get on with it.
We are fast approaching a year's anniversary of 3 weeks to save the NHS, a service which is top heavy with middle management, a serious overhaul is needed in my opinion to a service which has billions of peoples taxes pumped into it annually.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 20 Feb 21 1.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

If masks work? vaccines work? & lock downs work? then enough of this bullcrap & open up.
If you feel your at risk stay indoors whilst the rest of us get on with it.
We are fast approaching a year's anniversary of 3 weeks to save the NHS, a service which is top heavy with middle management, a serious overhaul is needed in my opinion to a service which has billions of peoples taxes pumped into it annually.

Your nhs description is spot on about management.
All about arse covering and not be guilty of a f*** up which all of us make. I think certain businesses dont have insurance because the cost of policies would outway any payments for accidents. The nhs is using this middle management as that insurance. Get on with making people better because s*** happens!

 

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Medical advice from a shrink?? Absolutely no actual you know medical experience. This is the sort of bullcrap we're expected to believe.

 


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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 22 Feb 21 5.15pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Here is a very simple video for people to see this whole thing is a complete joke and agenda driven.

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 21 4.49pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I have to say, and it's no conspiracy theory, that where I live far more people are commiting suicide than are dying of Covid. I'm not sure exactly what to think about that or if it's being replicated elsewhere.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 23 Feb 21 5.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I have to say, and it's no conspiracy theory, that where I live far more people are commiting suicide than are dying of Covid. I'm not sure exactly what to think about that or if it's being replicated elsewhere.

Did you research this or are you assuming as google states that suicide in NI is the same in 2019 as will be in 2020. There may be an expectation of more suicides but it doesnt appear backed up by data.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Feb 21 5.29pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Did you research this or are you assuming as google states that suicide in NI is the same in 2019 as will be in 2020. There may be an expectation of more suicides but it doesnt appear backed up by data.

I don't need to assume it, I'm literally talking about my town. I'm in a small town by English standards. Two bodies not recovered since last week. Being kept out of press and political arguments abound, meanwhile the helicopter searches for the bodies. I don't know National Statistics and did hear the stuff about NI. Colloquially suicide prevention groups are stating 3500 deaths in Ireland from suicide last year. I think that would be similar to Covid deaths for the Republic but, as I say, statistical arguments abound. Doesn't stop the nightly jump into the river.
To balance, however, I think 2014 and 2015 we had weeks where 5 people died in the river. Sometimes accidental death was given as cause of death by the coroner. You'd have to make your own mind up about that.

 


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