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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 21 10.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

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Bizarre. You carry a much weaker version of it so anything passed on will be much weaker. This is what vaccines do. It’s science. It’s remarkable.

This is how we get the herd immunity that you always wanted.

I take it you haven’t had the vaccine then?

I've always supported the creation of vaccines, these are related queries linked to your idea that people should take vaccines for others.....when, as far as I'm aware, it was never claimed that the person couldn't still transmit.

It seems rather obvious to me that the principle reason someone would take a vaccine is to safeguard themselves...again, that's no criticism from me.

As for the vaccine, no like I've said, I will look at this next year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.48pm)

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 06 Jun 21 10.52pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've always supported the creation of vaccines, these are related queries linked to your idea that people should take vaccines for others.....when, as far as I'm aware, it was never claimed that the person couldn't still transmit.

It seems rather obvious to me that the principle reason someone would take a vaccine is to safeguard themselves...again, that's no criticism from me.

As for the vaccine, no like I've said, I will look at this next year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.48pm)

Of course you’re taking it to protect yourself first and foremost. It’s building up your own immune system. But it also has the benefit of reducing harm to others which is even more reason to have it.

The more people we have bowling around unvaccinated the more people we have potentially carrying around stronger strains of the virus and putting themselves and others in harm’s way. I don’t think anyone should be forced to have it but it pains me that people aren’t protecting themselves because they’re choosing to believe nonsense peddled on the internet rather than medical science.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 21 10.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Of course you’re taking it to protect yourself first and foremost. It’s building up your own immune system. But it also has the benefit of reducing harm to others which is even more reason to have it.

The more people we have bowling around unvaccinated the more people we have potentially carrying around stronger strains of the virus and putting themselves and others in harm’s way. I don’t think anyone should be forced to have it but it pains me that people aren’t protecting themselves because they’re choosing to believe nonsense peddled on the internet rather than medical science.

I think that's a reasonable position.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Jun 21 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Winter_Raven

Maybe if people actually researched for themselves they would understand this situation.

And let's not call it a 'vaccine' it's not a 'vaccine' if you know your stuff you'd know this too.

Stop the madness, stop the fear mongering and live a life.

Edited by Winter_Raven (06 Jun 2021 9.31pm)

How are the vaccines not vaccines? Every authoritative source calls them vaccines.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Jun 21 11.15pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've always supported the creation of vaccines, these are related queries linked to your idea that people should take vaccines for others.....when, as far as I'm aware, it was never claimed that the person couldn't still transmit.

It seems rather obvious to me that the principle reason someone would take a vaccine is to safeguard themselves...again, that's no criticism from me.

As for the vaccine, no like I've said, I will look at this next year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2021 10.48pm)

Most of the people I have spoken to that were reluctant to be vaccinated were eventually persuaded by the logic that they could be a vector to kill others. Generally older family members but also e.g. care home residents.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 06 Jun 21 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Of course you’re taking it to protect yourself first and foremost. It’s building up your own immune system. But it also has the benefit of reducing harm to others which is even more reason to have it.

The more people we have bowling around unvaccinated the more people we have potentially carrying around stronger strains of the virus and putting themselves and others in harm’s way. I don’t think anyone should be forced to have it but it pains me that people aren’t protecting themselves because they’re choosing to believe nonsense peddled on the internet rather than medical science.

NHS staff working on open wounds have to receive a Hepatitis B vaccination. Should they not be forced to?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 06 Jun 21 11.21pm Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

NHS staff working on open wounds have to receive a Hepatitis B vaccination. Should they not be forced to?

NHS and care home workers should be expected to have it, yes.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 21 11.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Most of the people I have spoken to that were reluctant to be vaccinated were eventually persuaded by the logic that they could be a vector to kill others. Generally older family members but also e.g. care home residents.

I've listened to both sides of this very long discussion.

Essentially as long as people have personal autonomy I have little to say on those decisions.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Jun 21 7.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Most of the people I have spoken to that were reluctant to be vaccinated were eventually persuaded by the logic that they could be a vector to kill others. Generally older family members but also e.g. care home residents.

I was volunteering yesterday a middle aged black woman came in with her elderly frail parents who were being vaccinated. They should have been done in the spring she explained that they were reluctant to get vaccinated so she had to persuade them.

I was glad that she did for there sakes they were very frail if they caught COVID I doubt it would be a happy ending.

We are on the younger people now but I still see elderly people coming in well better late than never.

I also know people who were strong anti vaxxers at the start and have now gone very quiet on the matter I don't mind people changing their mind just as long as they get the jab.

Yesterday we have a number of people who arrived and refused to wear masks I call them attention seekers. We cannot allow them into the centre so a nurse has to go outside and vaccinate them which of course slows it down for the rest.

This guy comes in wearing a mask and breathing heavily he tells me he has COPD so doesn't like wearing a mask but that it's only for 15 minutes so he accepts it. He looked in a worse shape than the attention seekers none of whom seemed top have breathing difficulties but no doubt pulled the "I feel anxious" stunt.

Anyway the main thing is if you know someone who hasn't had the jab there is still time.

Edited by Badger11 (07 Jun 2021 8.00am)

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 07 Jun 21 8.22am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I was volunteering yesterday a middle aged black woman came in with her elderly frail parents who were being vaccinated. They should have been done in the spring she explained that they were reluctant to get vaccinated so she had to persuade them.

I was glad that she did for there sakes they were very frail if they caught COVID I doubt it would be a happy ending.

We are on the younger people now but I still see elderly people coming in well better late than never.

I also know people who were strong anti vaxxers at the start and have now gone very quiet on the matter I don't mind people changing their mind just as long as they get the jab.

Yesterday we have a number of people who arrived and refused to wear masks I call them attention seekers. We cannot allow them into the centre so a nurse has to go outside and vaccinate them which of course slows it down for the rest.

This guy comes in wearing a mask and breathing heavily he tells me he has COPD so doesn't like wearing a mask but that it's only for 15 minutes so he accepts it. He looked in a worse shape than the attention seekers none of whom seemed top have breathing difficulties but no doubt pulled the "I feel anxious" stunt.

Anyway the main thing is if you know someone who hasn't had the jab there is still time.

Edited by Badger11 (07 Jun 2021 8.00am)

I admire what you are doing and your take on what you have seen. Despite earlier comments, most people do have a strong feeling of social responsibility. And a few focus only on themselves.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 07 Jun 21 8.31am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I admire what you are doing and your take on what you have seen. Despite earlier comments, most people do have a strong feeling of social responsibility. And a few focus only on themselves.

I hope that those who were cautious at the start are not now boxed into a corner where they feel they can't have the jab because of comments they made previously.

My friend who is a yoga teacher was very anti vax even though she caught COVID bad. She is now suspiciously quiet on the topic so none of us have asked her as we don't want to embarrass her.

Just get it done folks.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 07 Jun 21 9.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I admire what you are doing and your take on what you have seen. Despite earlier comments, most people do have a strong feeling of social responsibility. And a few focus only on themselves.

I rarely took the flu jab as well.

I'm the devil incarnate.

 


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