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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 14 Jun 21 10.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

No they can't rudi but if someone tests positive then all the guests need to isolate and get a test. It is precisely what people haven't been doing.
I don't think the India variant could have been avoided but this advice about travelling was exactly that. I said very early that people including the opposition seemed to want an A to Z handbook of do's and don'ts and cans and cants.
Hmg left it up to the adults in this country to decide. Clearly many adults have acted like spoilt little brats and we are where we are because of that. Yes if wedding goers break the rules on isolation they deserve fining. Sadly it has been selective so as not to upset certain groups and political persuasions. I feel for people out of work and suffering but more so for the families of the dead and the 100s of 1000s with long covid.
The big picture is preservation of life; not holidays and nights out.

You sure about this claim of ‘100s of 1000s with long Covid?

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 14 Jun 21 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You sure about this claim of ‘100s of 1000s with long Covid?

At 2 May 2021, an estimated 1.0 million people living in private households in the UK (1.6%) were experiencing self-reported long COVID (symptoms persisting for more than four weeks after the first suspected coronavirus (COVID-19) infection that were not explained by something else).

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BlueJay Flag UK 15 Jun 21 12.15am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Met my first anti vaxxer yesterday in a pub watching the football.
Not sure that he and I will be talking again anytime soon.
Freedom of choice means that you don't have to have one but his reasoning for not doing so was absolutely bonkers.
He also laughed and said that "you lot" are keeping me safe by having yours so why should I!
I asked the Landlord to ban him - he laughed - so I won't drink there whenever I know he is in.

They appears to be quite a common attitude with some. You take the risk, I'll reap the rewards. How community minded. Still, life has a habit of educating and he's bound to get it anyway. If he's fine, lucky him, if he's bad, he could've likely avoided that experience.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jun 21 3.58am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

You have more confidence in the liar Johnson than I do Cryst - I am sure I read somewhere that every fine given out, when challenged, has not been upheld which is good news.

Yes I do and it may be true about the fines but the threat of one is enough for the majority to try to stick to the rules.
That liar Johnson as you say has kept many people afloat with the generous schemes he has allowed the chancellor to implement. Shamedly a great many have abused this generosity. What's your take on those liars who are going to cost you more tax pounds. Should they be held as a beacon of light in these troubling times.
The UK could be the first or one of the first to actually get back to normality and this in no small part is down to BJ actually putting a target on his back and putting restrictions in place.
Mistakes have defo been made but with such a fluid and unknown situation it was and is inevitable.
I'm sure haige sat and thought the same thing after 20k dead on day one.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Jun 21 6.18am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Well that was a shock - Johnson not keeping his word and extending lockdown. Ok for the G7 to meet with no social distancing, masks etc but extend lockdown for everyone else.

Why does Florida or Texas not get a mention- no SD, masks etc and full venues for sports but low case rates and deaths?

With Johnson and Hancock this will never end...

Did Boris actually say lockdown would definitely end in June? Not sure he did, I believe it was along the lines of, hopefully but depending on the scientists. So did he lie?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Jun 21 6.23am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

They appears to be quite a common attitude with some. You take the risk, I'll reap the rewards. How community minded. Still, life has a habit of educating and he's bound to get it anyway. If he's fine, lucky him, if he's bad, he could've likely avoided that experience.

Agreed, I feel the same about those who have travelled to India during the pandemic for no other reason but to have a holiday or visit family for a wedding

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 21 10.28am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

At 2 May 2021, an estimated 1.0 million people living in private households in the UK (1.6%) were experiencing self-reported long COVID (symptoms persisting for more than four weeks after the first suspected coronavirus (COVID-19) infection that were not explained by something else).

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4 weeks? Is that it? Show me months and months and counting. i.e - permanent, for millions. Or hundreds of thousands. Not recovery after being in hospital, which is very normal.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 21 11.26am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Always have a sandwich or drink in your hand and you’re safe from the virus. Follow the science and don’t be ignorant. Be morally superior and virtuous.

Apparently mask use has notably dropped since Boris’s latest waffle and make believe rules last night.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 15 Jun 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes I do and it may be true about the fines but the threat of one is enough for the majority to try to stick to the rules.
That liar Johnson as you say has kept many people afloat with the generous schemes he has allowed the chancellor to implement. Shamedly a great many have abused this generosity. What's your take on those liars who are going to cost you more tax pounds. Should they be held as a beacon of light in these troubling times.
The UK could be the first or one of the first to actually get back to normality and this in no small part is down to BJ actually putting a target on his back and putting restrictions in place.
Mistakes have defo been made but with such a fluid and unknown situation it was and is inevitable.
I'm sure haige sat and thought the same thing after 20k dead on day one.

How many examples of Boris lying do you need to see before you're comfortable calling him a liar? Not Covid-specific, I mean across his career.

It's so, so depressing to see people still claiming the mistakes we made were inevitable - accountability no longer exists.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 15 Jun 21 12.38pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes I do and it may be true about the fines but the threat of one is enough for the majority to try to stick to the rules.
That liar Johnson as you say has kept many people afloat with the generous schemes he has allowed the chancellor to implement. Shamedly a great many have abused this generosity. What's your take on those liars who are going to cost you more tax pounds. Should they be held as a beacon of light in these troubling times.
The UK could be the first or one of the first to actually get back to normality and this in no small part is down to BJ actually putting a target on his back and putting restrictions in place.
Mistakes have defo been made but with such a fluid and unknown situation it was and is inevitable.
I'm sure haige sat and thought the same thing after 20k dead on day one.

No, the government has. He is the first PM this country has had who is nothing but a front of house representative. The only thing he ever gets to do is stand before a lectern or PMQs and read from an autocue or script something prepared by someone else. He is not a public servant. He is a mere figure head, appointed as he is affable and popular. As Ken Clarke once said, "He couldn't run a whelk store". Thus, whether he is honest or not is immaterial. He is not personally running the show.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 Jun 21 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

No, the government has. He is the first PM this country has had who is nothing but a front of house representative. The only thing he ever gets to do is stand before a lectern or PMQs and read from an autocue or script something prepared by someone else. He is not a public servant. He is a mere figure head, appointed as he is affable and popular. As Ken Clarke once said, "He couldn't run a whelk store". Thus, whether he is honest or not is immaterial. He is not personally running the show.

So should he be held accountable for any mistakes?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jun 21 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

4 weeks? Is that it? Show me months and months and counting. i.e - permanent, for millions. Or hundreds of thousands. Not recovery after being in hospital, which is very normal.

Did the ONS link not work for you then?

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