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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Aug 21 4.29am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Of course you'll opt for it. As I said, you're a chicken. But, what you fail to realise is that by opting for it, you legitamise it. Because of people like you, we will need medical passports.

Now go and get a glass of almond milk to take to bed with "teddy".

What is a medical passport?

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Aug 21 6.21am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Of course you'll opt for it. As I said, you're a chicken. But, what you fail to realise is that by opting for it, you legitamise it. Because of people like you, we will need medical passports.

Now go and get a glass of almond milk to take to bed with "teddy".

Woah there. Let’s not get carried away.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 04 Aug 21 8.11am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

I would say the need for a booster jab not even 6 months after having the full dose seems a bit... soon.

It's been stated by the cdc and many scientists and media coverage that those jabbed can and will spread the virus, makes sense when you think about it, the jab, depending on which one you take either contains the spike protein or makes you produce it, artificially... so if you shed that, which is very likely via a sneeze, a cough etc then those around you subject to inhaling it.
It doesn't yet state when that mrna wears off.. could be a week, month or year.

Gotta ask yourself, a virus that is able to survive a jabbed person has either mutated to is already bloody strong...

past year we have had variants galore, we have also had jabs.. coincidence?

The science may well work, but it is in trials and may well be flawed.

we'll find out, maybe... come 2023.

All I can say is this, be as healthy as you can..

if you feel the jab is right for you, go ahead and feel confident that you alone, made the right call and that you alone are protecting yourself.

freedom of choice is key.

^^^ some good points raised.
There is a reason why drug development generally takes around 10 years, and that is to get all the 'what-ifs' sorted before going on the market.
This rush to get people vaccinated with something developed over 1 year, was obviously going to open a can of worms, in that after initially encouraging (very limited) trials, there were going to be a whole lot of longer-term questions to answer.
Effectively, politicians and scientists are now p1551ng in the wind.
Who'd have guessed ?

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 9.40am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Of course you'll opt for it. As I said, you're a chicken. But, what you fail to realise is that by opting for it, you legitamise it. Because of people like you, we will need medical passports.

Now go and get a glass of almond milk to take to bed with "teddy".

You purposefully ignore everything people say anyway. As I said 1) I've had covid so can very much assure you I'm getting on with life as normal and not 'scared' or 'chicken' 2) There are specific health / disability factors in my family that make me want to stay on top of their health

You're conflicted about your own behaviour rather than mine. Someone who ranted on about how 'unsafe' the vaccines would be for years to begin with, and then had to have it extracted that they'd now been vaccinated anyway (which was a 'good decision' by the way).

I'm perfectly fine with the idea of this booster on scientific grounds. Decision made. Unless you're going to become hysterical about 20-30 million people having it, you would be best to accept that people will be making their own decisions on this one.

Due to how fragmented vaccination is becoming now (since tens of millions won't have the booster) it's unlikely that there be any 'requirement' to have had it. I'll leave the almond milk for you.. it sounds like you need it more than I do.


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China laughing at us everyday.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 10.07am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Of course you'll opt for it. As I said, you're a chicken.

Now go and get a glass of almond milk to take to bed with "teddy".

Also, in future when people discuss their family and they are genuine in their approach and reasoning on health, don't keep defaulting to this endlessly snide, creepy and targetted behaviour that is clearly designed solely to get a rise. You have the track record of being disingenuous on the matter because what you preached for months was the complete opposite of you how you personally behaved in your own life (by getting vaccinated), so it's a bit rich for you to become indignant at others decisions on the matter.

As hard as it appears to be for you, attempt to demonstrate a slither of integrity and decency on this one by accepting that opinions will differ on the booster. Much like the flu jab, going forward it's likely to be an annual part of life. One you'll probably end up taking up yourself (again!) regardless of what you say here, making this conversation pointless.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Aug 2021 10.52am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 21 10.12am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I've had covid now, I was pretty ill for a week, probably due to three or four health conditions....and that cough was a pain in the backside.

I've been through it and predictably it hasn't changed my opinions from before as all of my views were based upon rationalisations rather than emotions.

I will also continue to wait into the new year before deciding upon both the effectiveness of these new vaccines or whether I personally want a jab at all.....if the state will afford me that choice.

Opinions on vaccinations are one thing and I remain strongly opposed to youth coercion, which our weak anti libertarian PM and cabinet continues to push.

However what is another is how the state and corporations intend to use vaccine passports to control people and their behaviours and rid people of privacy and autonomy.

Power given away is rarely gifted back willingly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 10.14am)

 


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View Ouzo Dan's Profile Ouzo Dan 04 Aug 21 10.13am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Woah there. Let’s not get carried away.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 10.18am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've had covid now, I was pretty ill for a week, probably due to three or four health conditions....and that cough was a pain in the backside.

I've been through it and predictably it hasn't changed my opinions from before as all of my views were based upon rationalisations rather than emotions.

I will also continue to wait into the new year before deciding upon both the effectiveness of these new vaccines or whether I personally want a jab at all.....if the state will afford me that choice.

Opinions on vaccinations are one thing and I remain strongly opposed to youth coercion, which our weak anti libertarian PM and cabinet continues to push.

However what is another is how the state and corporations intend to use vaccine passports to control people and their behaviours and rid people of privacy and autonomy.

Power given away is rarely gifted back willingly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 10.14am)

On the plus side, contracting covid 'and' getting vaccinated (if you make that choice) would appear to offer very good and much enhanced protection going forward.

I agree on the young'uns point really. So many in university just shrugged it off like nothing as their immune systems are better primed for anything new.

 

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View Ouzo Dan's Profile Ouzo Dan 04 Aug 21 10.35am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Theres an argument to be had that the people who have had the vaccines are currently gain of function guinea pigs.

I would appreciate it if you would all stop introducing opportunities for this lab grown virus to mutate...

Ive convinced myself this is the equivalent of a viral tv licence, we will all be forced to pay for it or be relegated to antivax class and looked down upon by the double/triple maskers and the vaccinated master race.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 04 Aug 21 10.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

On the plus side, contracting covid 'and' getting vaccinated (if you make that choice) would appear to offer very good and much enhanced protection going forward.

I agree on the young'uns point really. So many in university just shrugged it off like nothing as their immune systems are better primed for anything new.

My sister tried to tell me that vaccination was better than natural anti bodies.....I told her she was crazy....vaccinations themselves are designed to mimic the body's immune response to a particular virus.

I don't say that to suggest people against vaccination though. It's important that people take responsibility for their own health decisions based upon their individual health. I took my own risk assessment just as I hope to do in the future independent of what I choose.

The booster makes sense for those vaccinated as viruses evolve and it's really no different to the flu jab 'best guess' boost released each year.

Then again, as I say, vaccinations are one thing, how the state uses them to shape society is another.

I'll never agree with what most western governments have done over this virus. But again, discussing the permanent economic, mental and social damage done and why is another topic.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 10.54am)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 04 Aug 21 11.04am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

My sister tried to tell me that vaccination was better than natural anti bodies.....I told her she was crazy....vaccinations themselves are designed to mimic the body's immune response to a particular virus.

I don't say that to suggest people against vaccination though. It's important that people take responsibility for their own health decisions based upon their individual health. I took my own risk assessment just as I hope to do in the future independent of what I choose.

The booster makes sense for those vaccinated as viruses evolve and it's really no different to the flu jab 'best guess' boost released each year.

Then again, as I say, vaccinations are one thing, how the state uses them to shape society is another.

I'll never agree with what most western governments have done over this virus. But again, discussing the permanent economic damage done and why is another topic.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Aug 2021 10.52am)

There does appear to be good science behind why having covid 'and' the vaccination in whatever order might heighten immunity considerably again covid strains, but I do see what you mean. Getting the delta variant of covid essentially must put people in the clear for several months since that's almost exclusively what's out there right now, whereas the vaccination is somewhat more generalised. I see a combination of the yearly boosters and natural infection snuffing it out for the most part.

Yes, I'm in agreement on the economy. After the first lockdown it was elective really, or rather people were more able to make their own decisions. It's sad for businesses to fail on their own merits, but worse when they didn't even have a fighting chance to begin with. On that note, from talking with a few business owners I've also been amazed at how successful some of the new takeaway services that sprung up out of necessity did. I guess it just goes to show that you never know what crazy curveball life has to throw, and so always need to keep one eye on how to position yourself for that.


 

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