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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 02 Mar 21 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Forget the midfield, the squad containing Cabaye & Loftus Cheek was different class to what we have now. Primarily because it was a lot younger & has had very limited investment since then. This is evidenced in the performances under Roy in his first season at the club which were, at times, very good & disprove the notion that he is just another Big Sam or Pulis.


This is the point that the Roy, out, people conveniently overlook .when he has had the players able to carry it off he doesn’t send sides out to not get at the opposition at every opportunity.
The fact is if we have just two or three key players missing at any one time our attacking options are drastically reduced. There is little doubt we need more out of what’s available in respect of attacking play. It’s never not asked for or not wanted.
From a managerial point of view it’s lucky he can get a good effort rate out of them most times. And they know how not to lose to often.

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 02 Mar 21 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

What seems to stand out for me is lack of planning to have so many contracts expiring simultaneously.
It has the distinct look of a disaster waiting to happen.

There seem to be many players we'd like to lose but will have to offer new contracts to.

I hope that it's an opportunity to blood some youngsters into the squad (some hope).

I think it'll need some careful and inspired management to come out the other side with a decent squad.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Mar 21 3.14pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


This is the point that the Roy, out, people conveniently overlook .when he has had the players able to carry it off he doesn’t send sides out to not get at the opposition at every opportunity.
The fact is if we have just two or three key players missing at any one time our attacking options are drastically reduced. There is little doubt we need more out of what’s available in respect of attacking play. It’s never not asked for or not wanted.
From a managerial point of view it’s lucky he can get a good effort rate out of them most times. And they know how not to lose to often.

It’s a rather damning indictment of the rest of the team that Schlupp, Zaha and McArthur out means we go from being a competitive side to one which barely leaves its own half even though we have just spent £16m-£20m on Eze and looking to spend a similar amount on Mateta and having taken one of Belgium’s top strikers on loan.

If this is the case why has our recent transfer business been in none of the positions where we are currently desperately short?

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 02 Mar 21 3.14pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Because of the way we are setting up with a low block when we get the ball the players are too close to each other and there is little opportunity to stretch the opposition. This means we either look for a quick break with one or two players carrying the ball 50+-yards upfield, we hit it long in hope, or we end up passing sideways and backwards until the opposition has had plenty of time to recover and get men behind the ball. The opposition also know that they can simply foul Eze, Andros or Ayew inside our own half to limit any threat on the counter. It might be crude, but it seems highly effective and something we often have no answer to.

If we had a big man up top who could make the ball stick this could help us get out, but we do have a severe lack of pace meaning there is often a huge gap between the forward(s) and the midfield (again due to the low block). There also seems to be a distinct lack of movement when we are in possession meaning our more creative players often end up going backwards due to a lack of options. This is one of the most significant things that goes missing when Wilf is out, as he goes looking for the ball and looks for the best ways to link things up.

It's difficult as when we were a bit more expansive for a few games we conceded a lot of goals and looked so open. Probably the most important area we need to look at for next season is adding pace through the middle both in defence and midfield as until we do that we will struggle to play higher up the pitch without being exposed.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 02 Mar 21 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

It’s a rather damning indictment of the rest of the team that Schlupp, Zaha and McArthur out means we go from being a competitive side to one which barely leaves its own half even though we have just spent £16m-£20m on Eze and looking to spend a similar amount on Mateta and having taken one of Belgium’s top strikers on loan.

If this is the case why has our recent transfer business been in none of the positions where we are currently desperately short?


That’s something that has had me wondering. We bypassed Gallagher, for Bats. When the midfield was crying out for that type of mid fielder.
I wonder if the Mateta, deal was almost done in the summer, and failed to complete, panic , lead to Bats, and the Gallagher deal , was dropped. January ,and Mateta, completes. It may have not been if Bats , was doing the job, he isn’t.
It’s deeper than that though in so much as , it would still seem to be a case of one or the other, not just because we couldn’t have two from one club, but more we couldn’t have two.
They must know we need far more punch in that mid field, it must be we can’t afford it . Eze, is a very promising talent, he is one that you would like to see let off the leash a bit. But he is going to become a liability unless they put people round him that can clean up his mishaps. It needs investment.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 02 Mar 21 3.48pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

This is 100% how I see it.
We are very easy to stop as set up currently.
I’m amused by commentators who talk of our counter attacking strength and pace on the break, in particular in the absence of Schlupp and Zaha.
I hope we’ll be seeking to address the lack of pace and energy in the next windows.

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Because of the way we are setting up with a low block when we get the ball the players are too close to each other and there is little opportunity to stretch the opposition. This means we either look for a quick break with one or two players carrying the ball 50+-yards upfield, we hit it long in hope, or we end up passing sideways and backwards until the opposition has had plenty of time to recover and get men behind the ball. The opposition also know that they can simply foul Eze, Andros or Ayew inside our own half to limit any threat on the counter. It might be crude, but it seems highly effective and something we often have no answer to.

If we had a big man up top who could make the ball stick this could help us get out, but we do have a severe lack of pace meaning there is often a huge gap between the forward(s) and the midfield (again due to the low block). There also seems to be a distinct lack of movement when we are in possession meaning our more creative players often end up going backwards due to a lack of options. This is one of the most significant things that goes missing when Wilf is out, as he goes looking for the ball and looks for the best ways to link things up.

It's difficult as when we were a bit more expansive for a few games we conceded a lot of goals and looked so open. Probably the most important area we need to look at for next season is adding pace through the middle both in defence and midfield as until we do that we will struggle to play higher up the pitch without being exposed.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 02 Mar 21 3.54pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Because of the way we are setting up with a low block when we get the ball the players are too close to each other and there is little opportunity to stretch the opposition. This means we either look for a quick break with one or two players carrying the ball 50+-yards upfield, we hit it long in hope, or we end up passing sideways and backwards until the opposition has had plenty of time to recover and get men behind the ball. The opposition also know that they can simply foul Eze, Andros or Ayew inside our own half to limit any threat on the counter. It might be crude, but it seems highly effective and something we often have no answer to.

If we had a big man up top who could make the ball stick this could help us get out, but we do have a severe lack of pace meaning there is often a huge gap between the forward(s) and the midfield (again due to the low block). There also seems to be a distinct lack of movement when we are in possession meaning our more creative players often end up going backwards due to a lack of options. This is one of the most significant things that goes missing when Wilf is out, as he goes looking for the ball and looks for the best ways to link things up.

It's difficult as when we were a bit more expansive for a few games we conceded a lot of goals and looked so open. Probably the most important area we need to look at for next season is adding pace through the middle both in defence and midfield as until we do that we will struggle to play higher up the pitch without being exposed.


Indeed, on Sunday one pundit/commentator compared our players to statues when our player on the ball was looking for options. Occasionally, we spring into action and play half a dozen quick and mesmerizing passes that totally bamboozle the opposition (last seen when Eze scored against Wolves). but those occasions are rare and when Wilf isn't playing they are non-existent.

Tend to agree with the rest of your post as well.

 

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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 02 Mar 21 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

What seems to stand out for me is lack of planning to have so many contracts expiring simultaneously.
It has the distinct look of a disaster waiting to happen.

There seem to be many players we'd like to lose but will have to offer new contracts to.

I hope that it's an opportunity to blood some youngsters into the squad (some hope).

I think it'll need some careful and inspired management to come out the other side with a decent squad.

or, it is part of the masterplan to overhaul the squad, and there's some bigger picture stuff happening behind the scenes, which will see a cash injection, new manager, and that new manager bringing some signings from his previous club to help bed in the new positive style of football. We can dream right?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Mar 21 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

or, it is part of the masterplan to overhaul the squad, and there's some bigger picture stuff happening behind the scenes, which will see a cash injection, new manager, and that new manager bringing some signings from his previous club to help bed in the new positive style of football. We can dream right?

Bloody hell, that’s a positive vibe we would all love to share. Maybe we are all too cynical having supported Palace for years, but you know as do the rest of us, what you are saying is unlikely to happen.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 02 Mar 21 4.17pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Indeed, on Sunday one pundit/commentator compared our players to statues when our player on the ball was looking for options. Occasionally, we spring into action and play half a dozen quick and mesmerizing passes that totally bamboozle the opposition (last seen when Eze scored against Wolves). but those occasions are rare and when Wilf isn't playing they are non-existent.

Tend to agree with the rest of your post as well.

That's the frustrating part as it shows we are capable of passing our way through an opposing team. We have some very skilful players in Eze, Jairo, Ayew, and most notably Wilf, while players like PvA and Schlupp are very adept at finding space in behind defences; however, as you say, these brief glimpses are becoming less frequent as time goes by.

Having watched Gallagher a few times recently I'm becoming increasingly convinced we should move for him. He looks like a young McArthur, with speed, tenacity and a willingness to work hard at both ends of the pitch. Doesn't really look suited to a top 6 club as he's more of a scrapper, but definitely looks like a player who would fit in with us.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 02 Mar 21 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

That's the frustrating part as it shows we are capable of passing our way through an opposing team. We have some very skilful players in Eze, Jairo, Ayew, and most notably Wilf, while players like PvA and Schlupp are very adept at finding space in behind defences; however, as you say, these brief glimpses are becoming less frequent as time goes by.

Having watched Gallagher a few times recently I'm becoming increasingly convinced we should move for him. He looks like a young McArthur, with speed, tenacity and a willingness to work hard at both ends of the pitch. Doesn't really look suited to a top 6 club as he's more of a scrapper, but definitely looks like a player who would fit in with us.

He gets booked a lot, but I don’t mind that, it shows he’s, as you said, a scrapper. I reckon he’ll cost about £16m- £18m and I’m not sure we have that for one player.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 02 Mar 21 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Because of the way we are setting up with a low block when we get the ball the players are too close to each other and there is little opportunity to stretch the opposition. This means we either look for a quick break with one or two players carrying the ball 50+-yards upfield, we hit it long in hope, or we end up passing sideways and backwards until the opposition has had plenty of time to recover and get men behind the ball. The opposition also know that they can simply foul Eze, Andros or Ayew inside our own half to limit any threat on the counter. It might be crude, but it seems highly effective and something we often have no answer to.

If we had a big man up top who could make the ball stick this could help us get out, but we do have a severe lack of pace meaning there is often a huge gap between the forward(s) and the midfield (again due to the low block). There also seems to be a distinct lack of movement when we are in possession meaning our more creative players often end up going backwards due to a lack of options. This is one of the most significant things that goes missing when Wilf is out, as he goes looking for the ball and looks for the best ways to link things up.

It's difficult as when we were a bit more expansive for a few games we conceded a lot of goals and looked so open. Probably the most important area we need to look at for next season is adding pace through the middle both in defence and midfield as until we do that we will struggle to play higher up the pitch without being exposed.

That about sums it up. The only thing I would add is that your last sentence , tells why using a low block has been used so often. We have been exposed to often this year particularly. Not just of late. The Villa, game comes to mind.
It is true the play does become very condensed in a low block, but it is only a partial excuse, the players do need that bit of composure , quality to cope well. In the Brighton game I could not count how many times after much chasing shadows, the ball came freely to one of our mid fielders, and they couldn’t make the first simple pass which was on, let alone take part in something more expansive. When it comes to good offensive football it is so much reliant on movement , but it has to be movement in every direction for every purpose. Only if you have that can you not get exposed.
It’s been said many times here , it does need stirring up, it’s a four or five player job as I see it throughout defence, middle, up front remains to be seen, and might improve if the rest is sorted.

 

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