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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 20 6.46pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them. So I guess this means that to be consistent you'd support John Cleese's comments that London isn't an English city anymore and would support all the non English there being deported back to their original countries of origin. Because you know London being English and all. Also as I stated.....The falklands is a considerable distance from Argentina.....enough to make its own mind up. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 20 6.46pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them.

So I guess this means that to be consistent you'd support John Cleese's comments that London isn't an English city anymore and would support all the non English there being deported back to their original countries of origin.

Because you know London being English and all.

Also as I stated.....The falklands is a considerable distance from Argentina.....enough to make its own mind up.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Spliter! You are Irish though so we'll let you off. In all honesty, I'm one of those quite typical Londoners who are a mixture of all of the British Isles, just not Wales. But Ireland my country for a couple of decades now. I'm definitely a splitter. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Spliter!

You are Irish though so we'll let you off.

In all honesty, I'm one of those quite typical Londoners who are a mixture of all of the British Isles, just not Wales. But Ireland my country for a couple of decades now. I'm definitely a splitter.

Red and Blue Army!

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.47pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle Yes, the work shy should be ceded. So we are then in agreement. But too who?
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Horsham 01 Sep 20 6.47pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Yes, the work shy should be ceded. So we are then in agreement.

But too who?

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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 20 6.52pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC In all honesty, I'm one of those quite typical Londoners who are a mixture of all of the British Isles, just not Wales. But Ireland my country for a couple of decades now. I'm definitely a splitter. You know I'm just kidding. Besides mate, being white northern European males we are treated just like the same enemy. I have to laugh at the Irish republicans over there....fighting the British for more than a hundred years just to give it away to globalists waving cheque books changing their streets with 'new Irish' from other continents. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 20 6.52pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

In all honesty, I'm one of those quite typical Londoners who are a mixture of all of the British Isles, just not Wales. But Ireland my country for a couple of decades now. I'm definitely a splitter.

You know I'm just kidding.

Besides mate, being white northern European males we are treated just like the same enemy.

I have to laugh at the Irish republicans over there....fighting the British for more than a hundred years just to give it away to globalists waving cheque books changing their streets with 'new Irish' from other continents.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.53pm)

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ghosteagle 01 Sep 20 6.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok, lets address your points. Firstly, internal discussions within government is not the same as government policy. There is nothing wrong with discussing whether the Falklands was worth keeping behind doors. The decision was made that it was. So, we were never 'prepared', because that decision was never made. For it being a dodgy claim....maybe, maybe not. Most borders around the world could be argued over. The Falklands however, is as far from Argentina as Spain is from us. It's far away from them to make it's own mind up. I'd say Spain have far more of a case for Gibraltar than Argentina have to the Falklands. As for what is and isn't a drain on resources....Well, I can think of quite a few things I wouldn't be spending money on before the Falklands....which quality men died for. As for 'not worth fighting for' and we should have 'let Argentina reassert control' this is probably your weakest points. Firstly the vast majority of the Falklands island population were from the UK originally. Secondly, If you believe in the principle of self determination then once the Falklands population had decided to be British then defending them against an invasion is most definitely 'worth fighting for'. The Argentina military dictatorship that invaded and took the islands had no right to invade and just 'letting it happen' isn't only weakness of the highest order but anti British. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.39pm) Geez, can you try and be more concise next time! Firstly, we went further then 'behind closed doors', we allowed the Argies to build a port, so a decision was made (probably in order to comply with the UN directive of 1965) then recinded. So, the decision was made. Point 2, which ends with you conceding that Spain has more of a claim then argentina is interesting, but argentina laid claim to all the spainish territorys sometime in the early 1800 so i would say that spains claim is the argentinian claim. The drain on resources thing is an individual call and there are plenty of things i would rather divert resources to in this country rather then to the otherside of the world. Self-determination is a nice idea, and i take your point but i don't think that it dismisses all other claims, otherwise people can set up anyware and then invoke said principle to claim the land. Was just thinking that this principle would work well for the traveller communities, they should try it more. 'Right to invade' is a curious phrase. I'm sure all invaders beleive they have the 'right' and all the invaded feel they don't. But the reality works a bit differently. Being british, i cannot be 'anti-british' because by definition everything i do is 'british' and you dont get to decide what is what. Next time, can we discuss a charecter limit?
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01 Sep 20 6.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok, lets address your points.

Firstly, internal discussions within government is not the same as government policy. There is nothing wrong with discussing whether the Falklands was worth keeping behind doors. The decision was made that it was.

So, we were never 'prepared', because that decision was never made.

For it being a dodgy claim....maybe, maybe not. Most borders around the world could be argued over. The Falklands however, is as far from Argentina as Spain is from us. It's far away from them to make it's own mind up. I'd say Spain have far more of a case for Gibraltar than Argentina have to the Falklands.

As for what is and isn't a drain on resources....Well, I can think of quite a few things I wouldn't be spending money on before the Falklands....which quality men died for.

As for 'not worth fighting for' and we should have 'let Argentina reassert control' this is probably your weakest points.

Firstly the vast majority of the Falklands island population were from the UK originally. Secondly, If you believe in the principle of self determination then once the Falklands population had decided to be British then defending them against an invasion is most definitely 'worth fighting for'.

The Argentina military dictatorship that invaded and took the islands had no right to invade and just 'letting it happen' isn't only weakness of the highest order but anti British.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 6.39pm)

Geez, can you try and be more concise next time!
Firstly, we went further then 'behind closed doors', we allowed the Argies to build a port, so a decision was made (probably in order to comply with the UN directive of 1965) then recinded. So, the decision was made.

Point 2, which ends with you conceding that Spain has more of a claim then argentina is interesting, but argentina laid claim to all the spainish territorys sometime in the early 1800 so i would say that spains claim is the argentinian claim.

The drain on resources thing is an individual call and there are plenty of things i would rather divert resources to in this country rather then to the otherside of the world.

Self-determination is a nice idea, and i take your point but i don't think that it dismisses all other claims, otherwise people can set up anyware and then invoke said principle to claim the land. Was just thinking that this principle would work well for the traveller communities, they should try it more.

'Right to invade' is a curious phrase. I'm sure all invaders beleive they have the 'right' and all the invaded feel they don't. But the reality works a bit differently. Being british, i cannot be 'anti-british' because by definition everything i do is 'british' and you dont get to decide what is what.

Next time, can we discuss a charecter limit?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman But too who? We've solved it. Argentina will still maybe want some more people. Everyone's happy. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 20 6.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

But too who?

We've solved it. Argentina will still maybe want some more people. Everyone's happy.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Sep 20 7.05pm
Ghosteagle . . . You are, to my knowledge ENGLISH, i am not. I am a British Commenwealth Citizen. You have all the privileges that it entails. I grew up here(6yo) i went to school here, ive worked here had a family here, paid my taxes & NI here & also SERVED the country of my parents/g-parents birth & very proud to do so. Now, re-Falklands, i got 'volunteered' in '82 to rejoin my old ship, i was RNR, HMS Sheffield, you may have heard what happened to her, i was on her. We all believed the nessasity to PROTECT our people from the invasion, politics was NOT our problem, getting rid of the Argies was. Maybe you are too young & dont care, worst still, been fed media crap for most of your life. I actually feel sorry for ypu if thats the case. Google Falklands & learn history, i WAS there. I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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On The Road To Hell & Alicante 01 Sep 20 7.05pm

Ghosteagle . . .

You are, to my knowledge ENGLISH, i am not. I am a British Commenwealth Citizen. You have all the privileges that it entails. I grew up here(6yo) i went to school here, ive worked here had a family here, paid my taxes & NI here & also SERVED the country of my parents/g-parents birth & very proud to do so.

Now, re-Falklands, i got 'volunteered' in '82 to rejoin my old ship, i was RNR, HMS Sheffield, you may have heard what happened to her, i was on her. We all believed the nessasity to PROTECT our people from the invasion, politics was NOT our problem, getting rid of the Argies was.

Maybe you are too young & dont care, worst still, been fed media crap for most of your life. I actually feel sorry for ypu if thats the case.

Google Falklands & learn history, i WAS there.

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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Stirlingsays 01 Sep 20 7.11pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle Geez, can you try and be more concise next time! Firstly, we went further then 'behind closed doors', we allowed the Argies to build a port, so a decision was made (probably in order to comply with the UN directive of 1965) then recinded. So, the decision was made. A port! Oh please...a concession for both parties isn't giving the islands back. Ok, please direct me to the government announcement that we had ceded sovereigny of the Falklands islands to the Argentina. Originally posted by ghosteagle Point 2, which ends with you conceding that Spain has more of a claim then argentina is interesting, but argentina laid claim to all the spainish territorys sometime in the early 1800 so i would say that spains claim is the argentinian claim. Frankly people can claim what they like.....like you here. The validity of it and what actually happens is something else. Originally posted by ghosteagle The drain on resources thing is an individual call and there are plenty of things i would rather divert resources to in this country rather then to the otherside of the world. Sure, but we are all in that boat....though personally I don't think we would be spending money on quite the same things. Originally posted by ghosteagle Self-determination is a nice idea, and i take your point but i don't think that it dismisses all other claims, otherwise people can set up anyware and then invoke said principle to claim the land. Was just thinking that this principle would work well for the traveller communities, they should try it more. 'Right to invade' is a curious phrase. I'm sure all invaders beleive they have the 'right' and all the invaded feel they don't. But the reality works a bit differently. Being british, i cannot be 'anti-british' because by definition everything i do is 'british' and you dont get to decide what is what. Next time, can we discuss a charecter limit? I also take your point that 'self determination' isn't the only show in town.....However, it's a powerful part of it. Also, many of those islanders had lines stretching many generations on that island....they hadn't just turned up since the war. Again, if you hold to the point that the Falklands is Argentinian because of some 'blood and soil' argument....then welcome to the far right, pull up a chair and get your torch. When are we taking back London and Birmingham then? Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 7.12pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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01 Sep 20 7.11pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

A port! Oh please...a concession for both parties isn't giving the islands back.

Ok, please direct me to the government announcement that we had ceded sovereigny of the Falklands islands to the Argentina.

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Frankly people can claim what they like.....like you here. The validity of it and what actually happens is something else.

Originally posted by ghosteagle

The drain on resources thing is an individual call and there are plenty of things i would rather divert resources to in this country rather then to the otherside of the world.

Sure, but we are all in that boat....though personally I don't think we would be spending money on quite the same things.

Originally posted by ghosteagle

Next time, can we discuss a charecter limit?

I also take your point that 'self determination' isn't the only show in town.....However, it's a powerful part of it.

Also, many of those islanders had lines stretching many generations on that island....they hadn't just turned up since the war.

Again, if you hold to the point that the Falklands is Argentinian because of some 'blood and soil' argument....then welcome to the far right, pull up a chair and get your torch.

When are we taking back London and Birmingham then?

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Sep 2020 7.12pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Sep 20 7.15pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Sorry to correct you Badger but I reckon that should be our once great country It is still a great country IMO. f*** those trying to screw it over. Im proud to be English.
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The garden of England 01 Sep 20 7.15pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Sorry to correct you Badger but I reckon that should be our once great country

It is still a great country IMO.
f*** those trying to screw it over.
Im proud to be English.

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Eaglecoops CR3 01 Sep 20 7.26pm
Originally posted by cryrst It is still a great country IMO. f*** those trying to screw it over. Im proud to be English. Not disputing that, just feel we have lost our way a little bit the last 25 years or so. I will continue to argue vociferously against those trying to screw it over that is for sure. There is too much talk of left and right ideals. I think it’s simpler, there are those trying to undermine what we have and those that don’t wish to. I know which I support.
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CR3 01 Sep 20 7.26pm

Originally posted by cryrst

It is still a great country IMO.
f*** those trying to screw it over.
Im proud to be English.

Not disputing that, just feel we have lost our way a little bit the last 25 years or so. I will continue to argue vociferously against those trying to screw it over that is for sure. There is too much talk of left and right ideals. I think it’s simpler, there are those trying to undermine what we have and those that don’t wish to. I know which I support.

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cryrst The garden of England 01 Sep 20 7.34pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Not disputing that, just feel we have lost our way a little bit the last 25 years or so. I will continue to argue vociferously against those trying to screw it over that is for sure. There is too much talk of left and right ideals. I think it’s simpler, there are those trying to undermine what we have and those that don’t wish to. I know which I support. WE havent lost our way at all. We know our direction but certain parts of the system dont know their arse from their elbow. Trying to run with the hounds and play with the fox. One will eventually realise you are one or the other in camouflage.
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The garden of England 01 Sep 20 7.34pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

WE havent lost our way at all.
We know our direction but certain parts of the system dont know their arse from their elbow.
Trying to run with the hounds and play with the fox. One will eventually realise you are one or the other in camouflage.

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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Sep 20 7.53pm
Originally posted by ghosteagle I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them. The current map of the world certainly Europe was drawn by the winners of countless wars. If we now accept that the losers have a right to get back what they lost Spain will pick up Belgium, Holland and parts of Italy meanwhile the Arabs will claim most of mainland Spain and so on. We are where we are and the only way forward is self determination if the Scots and the Irish wish to leave the UK through a democratic process so be it the same applies to Gibraltar and the Falklands. Until then they are under our protection. One more point
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Beckenham 01 Sep 20 7.53pm

Originally posted by ghosteagle

I'm not too well versed with Honduras, so i won't comment until i have researched it. Spain can have Gibralter back, another territory we have a dubious claim to. I'm not sure that the wishes of the population is the best way of deciding whom the terrority morally should belong to, it would be to easy to subsidise the local population to ensure their loyalty (like we would). I don't know what the left think, you'd have to ask them.

The current map of the world certainly Europe was drawn by the winners of countless wars. If we now accept that the losers have a right to get back what they lost Spain will pick up Belgium, Holland and parts of Italy meanwhile the Arabs will claim most of mainland Spain and so on.

We are where we are and the only way forward is self determination if the Scots and the Irish wish to leave the UK through a democratic process so be it the same applies to Gibraltar and the Falklands. Until then they are under our protection.

One more point

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