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 tonymikejoe  UK 19 Jun 20 12.57am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He wants change where it benefits his in-group.....but he wants you to ignore where his preferred in-group benefit. For example, he's happy that black football players are over represented in sports like football or athletics. However, he isn't happy where his in-group are under represented. He's only interested in the meritocracy argument where it suits him and where it is doesn't......racism. It's the same old one eyed power play.
I wonder does Andros support the Marxist principles of BLM? Who knows what their tax plans are for high earners? 80% 90%? Is that really the change he wants, or is he counting on the example of the US rioters who avoided wrecking properties signed : 'Black Owned' so maybe this tax regime will only apply to whites? If Andros wants true demographic representation then we need to limit matchday squads to a generous 4 non-whites out of 18 to mirror the make up of the UK population. We could call it the : 'Townsend Rule'. I'm sure he'd be very popular amongst those black players yearning for fairness and proper representation of the races.
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| deleted 25 19 Jun 20 8.29am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Andros Townsend says players must "push for change". It's great coming out with these generalised statements (as they do with poverty, the environment), but there never seems to be any detail. Perhaps it's because then it can be easily debunked. What change does he want? How is it going to be done? If it's sensible reform, then I'm happy to go along with it, but I'm not sure what the goal is here. Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Jun 2020 4.22pm)
Football gives the impression of being a classless sport and without a need for a high level of academic education, which can be a hurdle to opportunities for people from a broadly speaking working class background of any origin. Football management doesn't appear to rely on any academic qualification apart from a willingness to do coaching badges
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 Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jun 20 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Football gives the impression of being a classless sport and without a need for a high level of academic education, which can be a hurdle to opportunities for people from a broadly speaking working class background of any origin. Football management doesn't appear to rely on any academic qualification apart from a willingness to do coaching badges How many Black managers are enough? This country has about 4% Black people but only say 1% who are of the right age and sex. So there should be one Black manager for every 100 teams to be representative of the population. Anyone complaining about that? Football is a merit based sport. Any manager who wins games is very likely to keep their job and anyone who shows a talent for managerial skills will likely be given an opportunity. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Jun 2020 9.40am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jun 20 10.26am |
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It may have changed recently but not that long ago there were only 13 BAME coaches with the UEAFA B license. The problem is the lack of qualified coaches the FA and the PFA need to deepen and broaden the talent pool.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jun 20 11.23am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
It may have changed recently but not that long ago there were only 13 BAME coaches with the UEAFA B license. The problem is the lack of qualified coaches the FA and the PFA need to deepen and broaden the talent pool. Unless minority candidates are capable and willing to become more qualified then you will get an attempt at boosting their numbers in a profession with positive discrimination. This can only result a lowering of standards. An employer has to reserve the right to select anyone he wants for a job. In a country which is predominantly White, it is inevitable that minorities will have a slight disadvantage. Positive discrimination is not the answer unless you want square pegs in round holes. That just doesn't work in a profit conscious or results driven situation.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Jun 20 11.30am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Unless minority candidates are capable and willing to become more qualified then you will get an attempt at boosting their numbers in a profession with positive discrimination. This can only result a lowering of standards. An employer has to reserve the right to select anyone he wants for a job. In a country which is predominantly White, it is inevitable that minorities will have a slight disadvantage. Positive discrimination is not the answer unless you want square pegs in round holes. That just doesn't work in a profit conscious or results driven situation. Some players said what's the point we won't be offered a job anyway. However that is life if you want any job with a professional qualification the first thing you have to do is pass the qualification or as Mrs Beaton says "first catch your hare". I believe that FA appointed a former striker to encourage more BAME players to take up coaching when they retired. I think he was a West Brom striker anyway he has his work cut out.
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Jun 20 11.39am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Some players said what's the point we won't be offered a job anyway. However that is life if you want any job with a professional qualification the first thing you have to do is pass the qualification or as Mrs Beaton says "first catch your hare". I believe that FA appointed a former striker to encourage more BAME players to take up coaching when they retired. I think he was a West Brom striker anyway he has his work cut out.
Hannah Glasse.
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Teddy Eagle Online  19 Jun 20 12.00pm |
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Jun 20 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Equal opportunities within football in particular but also applicable to society in general,. So for instance in football, their are few black managers and probably less with the FA hierarchy. Curtis Fleming says he doesn't get replies to applying for managers jobs? Football gives the impression of being a classless sport and without a need for a high level of academic education, which can be a hurdle to opportunities for people from a broadly speaking working class background of any origin. Football management doesn't appear to rely on any academic qualification apart from a willingness to do coaching badges Simon Jordan has said he didn't get one black applicant in 10 years as chairman. I don't think there is any evidence the lack of black managers in the game is down to racism. Other factors maybe, unless I've missed it? Would you want a manager in charge of Palace based on his skin colour or his ability to win football matches?
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jun 20 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Vincehair
Equal opportunities within football in particular but also applicable to society in general,. So for instance in football, their are few black managers and probably less with the FA hierarchy. Curtis Fleming says he doesn't get replies to applying for managers jobs? Football gives the impression of being a classless sport and without a need for a high level of academic education, which can be a hurdle to opportunities for people from a broadly speaking working class background of any origin. Football management doesn't appear to rely on any academic qualification apart from a willingness to do coaching badges Not getting replies from potential employers is hardly an indication of anything - it's quite common practice. While it may on the surface appear that football doesn't require academic qualifications we are talking management here. Once your playing career is finished, coaching and management involve dealing with bureaucracy and most importantly man management of many different personality types....often dealing with immature personalities and managing young lives. Unless you want to do that and are very good at it, you aren't going anywhere. Rather than racism be assumed I'd prefer to know just how man black ex players are actually applying....then how many pass these coaching courses in proportion to whites and also the information on qualified black management applications. As a proportion are blacks applying for these positions at a similar level? Are those applying for the same starting out positions receiving significantly higher rejections with the same qualifications? That data is required first before anything else. Palace recently had Richard Shaw and personally from what I saw I'm sad he moved on.....much of what he publicly said seemed to be accurate.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 19 Jun 20 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Troy Townsend has good intentions, but he's incredibly naive to suggest that equality imbalances are due to racism or sexism or any other 'ism'. It's really dangerous. What if black players don't choose to go for coaching jobs? The same way women don't choose to go for engineering roles. Or why men don't choose nursing jobs. Why don't we look into why this is because there will be multiple reasons, instead of labelling people as bigots. Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Jun 2020 12.07pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Jun 20 12.21pm |
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Wasn’t Chris Powell quite good? What about that caretaker manager at Wolves when they were destined for relegation? Btw, I agree with looking into it in more depth rather than shouting racism.
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