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cryrst The garden of England 04 Sep 20 10.20am
Originally posted by Badger11 The white farmers suffered but also so did thousands of farm workers and villages who were linked to those farms. They lost their jobs and were driven off the land by Mugabi's thugs. I wonder how many of those villagers would have preferred life under the old white regime. They may not have had a the vote but they had a job and food on their table and law and order. Anyway that is history what happens now is what matters. I suspect many of the white farmers wont go back largely because they are old and their children have new lives where ever they are and aren't interested. The government today seems okay but that could easily change, farming from scratch requires a lot of time and investment why would you risk it when the rule of law means nothing and a change of government could see you lose everything. One of the great achievement of this country was an independent and fair legal system. This was one of the drivers that helped the industrial revolution especially in the Victorian age onwards. You are not going to invest if somebody else can rob you and you have no recourse to law. Why invest in Venezuela when the President just takes your investment away. Because socialism is wonderful dont you know. Everyone is equal whichever level of society you are in. Ordinarily equally poor and hungry but hey it's the way to go.
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cryrst

The garden of England 04 Sep 20 10.20am

Originally posted by Badger11

The white farmers suffered but also so did thousands of farm workers and villages who were linked to those farms. They lost their jobs and were driven off the land by Mugabi's thugs.

I wonder how many of those villagers would have preferred life under the old white regime. They may not have had a the vote but they had a job and food on their table and law and order.

Anyway that is history what happens now is what matters. I suspect many of the white farmers wont go back largely because they are old and their children have new lives where ever they are and aren't interested.

The government today seems okay but that could easily change, farming from scratch requires a lot of time and investment why would you risk it when the rule of law means nothing and a change of government could see you lose everything.

One of the great achievement of this country was an independent and fair legal system. This was one of the drivers that helped the industrial revolution especially in the Victorian age onwards. You are not going to invest if somebody else can rob you and you have no recourse to law.

Why invest in Venezuela when the President just takes your investment away.

Because socialism is wonderful dont you know.
Everyone is equal whichever level of society you are in. Ordinarily equally poor and hungry but hey it's the way to go.

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djcpfc Within a 5 minute walk 04 Sep 20 2.15pm
In my view these payments are for two reasons - The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best. Investment - until this issue is completely settled it is difficult for the country to court international investment. These arguments continue to be Mugabe�s legacy and until it is put to bed the current Zanu-PF leadership appears as continuity of Mugabe�s regime. This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business.
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djcpfc

Within a 5 minute walk 04 Sep 20 2.15pm

In my view these payments are for two reasons -

The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best.

Investment - until this issue is completely settled it is difficult for the country to court international investment. These arguments continue to be Mugabe�s legacy and until it is put to bed the current Zanu-PF leadership appears as continuity of Mugabe�s regime.

This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Sep 20 4.01pm
Originally posted by djcpfc In my view these payments are for two reasons - The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best. Investment - until this issue is completely settled it is difficult for the country to court international investment. These arguments continue to be Mugabe�s legacy and until it is put to bed the current Zanu-PF leadership appears as continuity of Mugabe�s regime. This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business. On China's terms/investment/infiltration? I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold, When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul. [Link]
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eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 04 Sep 20 4.01pm

Originally posted by djcpfc

In my view these payments are for two reasons -

The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best.

This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business.

On China's terms/investment/infiltration?

I'm a blind man, i'm a blind man, now my room is cold,
When a blind man cries, Lord, he feels it from his soul.
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georgenorman 04 Sep 20 5.35pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The economy is the problem in Zimbabwe, it is a catch-22. But they are not 2 trillions in debt, as the UK is, they can't borrow to generate anything. There is no interest in being nasty to white people, there is a healthy white presence in Harare, I have a white farmer friend in Bulawayo who has never experienced any of the problems posters here incorrectly assume. What they do have, after everything, is their freedom and dignity where they were once treated like slaves in their own country. And if you step out of line Zimbabweans will remind you of that, quite sharply. The British lost Rhodesia because of their brutality, nobody will be going back to that. Have you considered changing your username to Brassballs?
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georgenorman

04 Sep 20 5.35pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The economy is the problem in Zimbabwe, it is a catch-22.

But they are not 2 trillions in debt, as the UK is, they can't borrow to generate anything.

There is no interest in being nasty to white people, there is a healthy white presence in Harare, I have a white farmer friend in Bulawayo who has never experienced any of the problems posters here incorrectly assume.

What they do have, after everything, is their freedom and dignity where they were once treated like slaves in their own country.

And if you step out of line Zimbabweans will remind you of that, quite sharply.

The British lost Rhodesia because of their brutality, nobody will be going back to that.

Have you considered changing your username to Brassballs?

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Stirlingsays 04 Sep 20 6.57pm
Originally posted by djcpfc In my view these payments are for two reasons - The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best. Investment - until this issue is completely settled it is difficult for the country to court international investment. These arguments continue to be Mugabe�s legacy and until it is put to bed the current Zanu-PF leadership appears as continuity of Mugabe�s regime. This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business. Yes, that has such a long and successful history in Africa. Back in the real world any whites planning to emigrate their family to Africa need their heads examining and are extremely irresponsible even if they are gated and protected. Investing in Africa might be sensible in some respects because it's an inevitable growth area....but only if you can afford to lose it ....as trusting any state over there over any significant time level is Russian roulette in my view. Looking at Zimbabwe and South Africa are only the most recent examples of a regularly repeated story. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2020 7.00pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

04 Sep 20 6.57pm

Originally posted by djcpfc

In my view these payments are for two reasons -

The rule of law - the country needs to meet international standards, and the forceful removal of farmers from their lands in lots of cases were contentious in law at best.

This isn�t about race, it�s about telling the world that the present government will live up to its international commitments, and the country is open for business.

Yes, that has such a long and successful history in Africa.

Back in the real world any whites planning to emigrate their family to Africa need their heads examining and are extremely irresponsible even if they are gated and protected.

Investing in Africa might be sensible in some respects because it's an inevitable growth area....but only if you can afford to lose it ....as trusting any state over there over any significant time level is Russian roulette in my view.

Looking at Zimbabwe and South Africa are only the most recent examples of a regularly repeated story.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2020 7.00pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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