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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jan 21 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by sotac464

So you dont think we will get 15 points from our next 20 games? I'd be amazed if we don't get a minimum of 20.

I am far from convinced we will attain a further 15 pts.

The physical demands on the squad will become even greater, injuries could play their part and aged players take that much longer to recover than they would have done in their pomp.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

I am far from convinced we will attain a further 15 pts.

The physical demands on the squad will become even greater, injuries could play their part and aged players take that much longer to recover than they would have done in their pomp.

You are Hol's own version of Lawro.

 


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View sotac464's Profile sotac464 Flag Berkshire 17 Jan 21 7.29pm Send a Private Message to sotac464 Add sotac464 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am far from convinced we will attain a further 15 pts.

The physical demands on the squad will become even greater, injuries could play their part and aged players take that much longer to recover than they would have done in their pomp.


So if you don't think we will reach 38 points, we are in a relegation battle, I personally don't think we are anywhere near it.

Sheffield United gone, Burnley have scored 9 goals all season, Fulham battling but drawing too many, West Brom look at there squad compared to ours. Bfs would love to have a team like ours, I think we will end up between 11-13th and be comfortably safe by April.


Edited by sotac464 (17 Jan 2021 7.29pm)

 


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View lefty27's Profile lefty27 Flag ipswich 17 Jan 21 10.06pm Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am far from convinced we will attain a further 15 pts.

The physical demands on the squad will become even greater, injuries could play their part and aged players take that much longer to recover than they would have done in their pomp.

Every season since we have been promoted you post negative stuff like this.

 

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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 17 Jan 21 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Originally posted by sotac464
Agreed. Around 12th is where we belong. Too steady to be relegated
but not good enough to get into the top half and in contention for Europe. Sourness said “Palace’s target each season is to avoid relegation”. On that basis we’re consistently winning our league.

Unless the owners find a rich buyer from the middle/Far East this is as good as it gets. The alternative is to go down, start enjoying watching the football again and focus on the academy and bring through youngsters to sell on to the big boys.


So if you don't think we will reach 38 points, we are in a relegation battle, I personally don't think we are anywhere near it.

Sheffield United gone, Burnley have scored 9 goals all season, Fulham battling but drawing too many, West Brom look at there squad compared to ours. Bfs would love to have a team like ours, I think we will end up between 11-13th and be comfortably safe by April.


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View Palacesince64's Profile Palacesince64 Flag Edinburgh 17 Jan 21 11.07pm Send a Private Message to Palacesince64 Add Palacesince64 as a friend

Originally posted by sotac464 .


LSo if you don't think we will reach 38 points, we are in a relegation battle, I personally don't think we are anywhere near it.

Sheffield United gone, Burnley have scored 9 goals all season, Fulham battling but drawing too many, West Brom look at there squad compared to ours. Bfs would love to have a team like ours, I think we will end up between 11-13th and be comfortably safe by April.


Edited by sotac464 (17 Jan 2021 7.29pm)

Agreed. Around 12th is where we belong. Too steady to be relegated
but not good enough to get into the top half and in contention for Europe. Sourness said “Palace’s target each season is to avoid relegation”. On that basis we’re consistently winning our league.

Unless the owners find a rich buyer from the middle/Far East this is as good as it gets. The alternative is to go down, start enjoying watching the football again and focus on the academy and bring through youngsters to sell on to the big boys.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 18 Jan 21 9.03am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Palacesince64

Agreed. Around 12th is where we belong. Too steady to be relegated
but not good enough to get into the top half and in contention for Europe. Sourness said “Palace’s target each season is to avoid relegation”. On that basis we’re consistently winning our league.

Unless the owners find a rich buyer from the middle/Far East this is as good as it gets. The alternative is to go down, start enjoying watching the football again and focus on the academy and bring through youngsters to sell on to the big boys.


Sadly, that's the truth of it. We either carry on beating the drop playing turgid football more often than not or we go down and focus on building up from the Academy.

The only way we are going to challenge the big boys is with a mega rich owner who's prepared to bankroll a project to take the club to the upper reaches of the PL to challenge for one of the CL places, and even win a trophy or two. After all, Chelski and Citeh weren't doing a great deal league wise until the money came flooding in and both those clubs are traditionally much bigger clubs than us with more successful histories.

 

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View leejaneagles's Profile leejaneagles Online Flag 18 Jan 21 10.00am Send a Private Message to leejaneagles Add leejaneagles as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Sadly, that's the truth of it. We either carry on beating the drop playing turgid football more often than not or we go down and focus on building up from the Academy.

The only way we are going to challenge the big boys is with a mega rich owner who's prepared to bankroll a project to take the club to the upper reaches of the PL to challenge for one of the CL places, and even win a trophy or two. After all, Chelski and Citeh weren't doing a great deal league wise until the money came flooding in and both those clubs are traditionally much bigger clubs than us with more successful histories.


Sorry I feel like this is too big of an excuse that the Club keep using and I'm sick of it.

Do we need a rich Arab owner to win the Title or finish top 6? Yes of course we do.

But we do not need to get relegated to start playing good football and build from the Academy.

It's okay to play turgid football to stay up for the first 3 seasons max. We are well past that. If we continue we'll end up caught up in a battle one year and go down with nothing to build on and probably finish mid-table in the Championship the following year.

After year 3 in the Prem, the Club should've set out a road map like Southampton and followed it. Start introducing X amount of academy products when we are safe, replace 25% of over 30's in the transfer window etc etc.

When playing dire stuff like we are playing now, allow it for a game or 2 (City away is fine) but then start asking the Manager what his plans are to move us away from this.

Yes we will stay up this season but it's coming to an end. All you ask is when we are relegated we are in a better position than when we entered the Premier League and we are not. Which is appalling for the amount of time we've been in it now.

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 18 Jan 21 10.22am Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

After 55 years following palace last night I couldn't bring myself to even watch the game my Mrs thought I was ill.We are horrible to watch defence is among worst in league,and we can't score or create much. To be honest rather get relegated and rebuild with our youngsters.As mentioned in this thread we don't seemed to have progressed after all these years in top flight. Certainly time for Roy to leave and believe if crowds were present in grounds he would have been gone already .

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 18 Jan 21 11.25am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by leejaneagles


Sorry I feel like this is too big of an excuse that the Club keep using and I'm sick of it.

Do we need a rich Arab owner to win the Title or finish top 6? Yes of course we do.

But we do not need to get relegated to start playing good football and build from the Academy.

It's okay to play turgid football to stay up for the first 3 seasons max. We are well past that. If we continue we'll end up caught up in a battle one year and go down with nothing to build on and probably finish mid-table in the Championship the following year.

After year 3 in the Prem, the Club should've set out a road map like Southampton and followed it. Start introducing X amount of academy products when we are safe, replace 25% of over 30's in the transfer window etc etc.

When playing dire stuff like we are playing now, allow it for a game or 2 (City away is fine) but then start asking the Manager what his plans are to move us away from this.

Yes we will stay up this season but it's coming to an end. All you ask is when we are relegated we are in a better position than when we entered the Premier League and we are not. Which is appalling for the amount of time we've been in it now.


I agree BUT we didn't do that. We have only NOW got a half-decent academy up and running. It is already showing promising signs and we can hope that we will see some fruit from it in the not too distant future. Unlike Southampton we still have a tired old stadium in need of significant renovation.

The club has acknowledged that they are adopting a policy of bringing in youth and I'm sure they mean to, but it's not going to happen overnight. Our problem has been (and people seem to forget this) that we only rose from the ashes of administration ten years ago and surprised ourselves by reaching the PL quicker than we could have imagined and unlike the previous occasions we didn't go straight down again. We spent a lot of money (for us) buying players to keep us up, which was fine at the time but left us short in recent years. Indeed, since Hodgson came in we've probably recouped more money from sales (AWB and Sorloth) than we have spent buying new players (I'm excluding the signing on fees for the so-called free players).

On that basis, what you understandably say should happen after 3 years is only now beginning to happen at Palace after nearly 8.

It seems to me we are in a race against time to 'grow' our squad from the academy before relegation threatens. I suspect that Parish and Co may be happy for Hodgson to continue until we are in a position to move to the next stage.

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jan 21 11.28am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

After 55 years following palace last night I couldn't bring myself to even watch the game my Mrs thought I was ill.We are horrible to watch defence is among worst in league,and we can't score or create much. To be honest rather get relegated and rebuild with our youngsters.As mentioned in this thread we don't seemed to have progressed after all these years in top flight. Certainly time for Roy to leave and believe if crowds were present in grounds he would have been gone already .

I've been quite similar. I do blame Covid and the absence of crowds too. At Palace when the football is crap, there's usually some banter amongst the supporters. Now it's crap football, no beer and no banter.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 18 Jan 21 11.53am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by AERO

After 55 years following palace last night I couldn't bring myself to even watch the game my Mrs thought I was ill.We are horrible to watch defence is among worst in league,and we can't score or create much. To be honest rather get relegated and rebuild with our youngsters.As mentioned in this thread we don't seemed to have progressed after all these years in top flight. Certainly time for Roy to leave and believe if crowds were present in grounds he would have been gone already .


1. Most of the time we are indeed horrible to watch.
2. Our defence has been awful against some of the big clubs (conceded 15 without reply in 3 games) but in the other 16 league games, we've conceded 18, which considering our defenders' injury problems isn't so bad.
3. As for scoring, we've scored more goals than 7 other teams in the PL which is better than last year.

I'll reserve judgement on Hodgson until after the Fulham game when we should have a fair idea of whether or not we are likely to become embroiled in the relegation scrap.

 

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