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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 01 Mar 21 10.41am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

i refer you to his goal v WBA - near post 'dart' and header.

My conclusion after watching his lack of movement for the last 4 years is that for much of the time he just can't be bothered.

The lingering at the far post 'tactic' hoping that 2 or 3 defenders miss it first has worked once in the last 4 years!

Agreed, and he either can't be bothered or he just doesn't have a football brain that is alert enough to anticipate where to go. He needs to go.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 10.51am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Melbourne Eagle

Tekkers scored near post headers at both WBA and West Ham this season.

I believe that I did comment about his near-post header in the WBA game and that it was unusual for him to be in this position.
Perhaps in both the games he just didn't have the energy or desire to make that run to the far post !!!!

 

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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 01 Mar 21 11.08am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league.

I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link]

If we have someone as dangerous as he is in the air, why do we not cross more?? That's not Benteke's fault, that is clearly tactical.

I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training.

With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 11.16am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league.

I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link]

If we have someone as dangerous as he is in the air, why do we not cross more?? That's not Benteke's fault, that is clearly tactical.

I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training.

With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball.

A total of 37% of Benteke's goals in the PL have come from headers.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Mar 21 11.24am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league.

I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link]

If we have someone as dangerous as he is in the air, why do we not cross more?? That's not Benteke's fault, that is clearly tactical.

I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training.

With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball.

There is a good argument that we could build to Benteke's strengths by crossing more, but it's a chicken and egg situation. He doesn't make runs as he doesn't expect crosses, the others don't cross it as he doesn't make runs when they do. On Sunday it was very much the latter, and he also against Burnley when Clyne put in a couple of very useful crosses.

In any event, scoring headers usually adds up to less than 20% of all goals scored, so I would argue that:

1. Benteke needs to do more to get goals outside of relying on crosses to this head.

2. Playing (for example) Zaha on the right wing and asking him to cross it may be a far less useful plan than playing him on the left and letting him cut inside.

That said, I do think that if we had more possession and territory, we could have the best of both. Zaha and Eze can cut inside, and the full backs can overlap and cross it. Mitchell seems quite useful in that respect.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Mar 2021 11.47am)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 01 Mar 21 11.32am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

A total of 37% of Benteke's goals in the PL have come from headers.

If my maths are correct that works out to around 2 headed goals per season for us (based on his 25 total). It’s not really a devastatingly dangerous stat as there will be numerous centre halfs who will score the same or more than that in a season.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 11.36am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Mar 21 11.49am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Some truly terrifying stats on that Willo.

He only hits the target 39% of the time, and has missed more big chances than he's scored from in his career.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 01 Mar 21 12.06pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

To summarize: He's s***, a complete waste of resources and the sooner he's gone the better.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Mar 21 12.19pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

To summarize: He's s***, a complete waste of resources and the sooner he's gone the better.

Yes but it's nice to be able to show it statistically!

I actually remain of the view that the paucity of his performances and output is really only relative to his cost, and to who else we can get. If we can get a better player, then I'll take Benteke to the Council tip (or recycling centre as it is now) myself. If we can't get someone better, well, as painful as it is, we may have to hold on to him, albeit only if he will accept reduced wages.

And I do mean greatly reduced, as appropriate to the author of those awful stats.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 01 Mar 21 12.45pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

my last comment on Tekkers.

First year goal v Middlesboro - far post header, rose early, aggressively out jumping defender

Same season v Hull from corner - gambled run to near post and powered home from a few yards out

Same season v Sunderland last minute. Hung back, waited for free kick and then run onto cross and powered home.

Same season v Everton - from almost edge of box got between the 2 centre backs and headed home.

He is not marking these runs as regularly now, although still has it somewhere in his locker, as the one header from corner/free kick in 2nd half showed yesterday. May have been the only header he won all game.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 01 Mar 21 12.46pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

my last comment on Tekkers.

First year goal v Middlesboro - far post header, rose early, aggressively out jumping defender

Same season v Hull from corner - gambled run to near post and powered home from a few yards out

Same season v Sunderland last minute. Hung back, waited for free kick and then run onto cross and powered home.

Same season v Everton - from almost edge of box got between the 2 centre backs and headed home.

He is not making these runs as regularly now, although still has it somewhere in his locker, as the one header from corner/free kick in 2nd half showed yesterday. May have been the only header he won all game.

 

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