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Roy and Ray with their 40 years professional experience, their coaches and experienced youth and u23 staff see the players every day so they wouldn't need to let us be the judges or set young players up to fail.

The u23s were bottom of their league last season (which isn't a very strong one) and having seen a few fringe players fail to distinguish themselves in the cups in recent seasons when given the opportunity I'm not surprised that the squad has been managed in the way it has. De Boer seemed to like Lokilo and Lumeka but they weren't good enough.

Any manager has his favourites or players he trusts more than others. Roy would be no different.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jan 21 7.31pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Roy and Ray with their 40 years professional experience, their coaches and experienced youth and u23 staff see the players every day so they wouldn't need to let us be the judges or set young players up to fail.

The u23s were bottom of their league last season (which isn't a very strong one) and having seen a few fringe players fail to distinguish themselves in the cups in recent seasons when given the opportunity I'm not surprised that the squad has been managed in the way it has. De Boer seemed to like Lokilo and Lumeka but they weren't good enough.

Any manager has his favourites or players he trusts more than others. Roy would be no different.

Good post.
I would add that Messrs Hodgson and Lewington also witness the U23s in matches.

 

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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Roy and Ray with their 40 years professional experience, their coaches and experienced youth and u23 staff see the players every day so they wouldn't need to let us be the judges or set young players up to fail.

The u23s were bottom of their league last season (which isn't a very strong one) and having seen a few fringe players fail to distinguish themselves in the cups in recent seasons when given the opportunity I'm not surprised that the squad has been managed in the way it has. De Boer seemed to like Lokilo and Lumeka but they weren't good enough.

Any manager has his favourites or players he trusts more than others. Roy would be no different.

I completely agree. I don't really get the idea that we won't know how capable the youth players are unless we give them a game. They spend all day every day showing the staff exactly how good they are in training.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I completely agree. I don't really get the idea that we won't know how capable the youth players are unless we give them a game. They spend all day every day showing the staff exactly how good they are in training.

I wouldn't claim to be an expert but somebody whose knowledge and opinion I trust said that there are some very good players in the U18s so promising if this is true.

 

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There’s a piece in the Evening Standard quoting Roy saying that he has no plans to retire and wants to continue in management .
This would mean the impetus for a change would have to come from Parish.
On the basis that we survive with something to spare, which looks possible, I don’t think Parish will be minded to make a change.

 

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Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority
in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I completely agree. I don't really get the idea that we won't know how capable the youth players are unless we give them a game. They spend all day every day showing the staff exactly how good they are in training.

So, this means we are spending a load of money on players who will never make the grade. Sounds like a fantastic business plan to me. I wonder if they have all been told they are a waste of time and should go and seek a job elsewhere?

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

There’s a piece in the Evening Standard quoting Roy saying that he has no plans to retire and wants to continue in management .
This would mean the impetus for a change would have to come from Parish.
On the basis that we survive with something to spare, which looks possible, I don’t think Parish will be minded to make a change.


Perhaps he could work his magic at Southend?

 

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Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority
in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost.

Mr Hodgson and his dear wife Sheila celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary in September, so perhaps he will feel it would rather spend it on a luxurious holiday than enduring the rigours of being a football manager.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So, this means we are spending a load of money on players who will never make the grade. Sounds like a fantastic business plan to me. I wonder if they have all been told they are a waste of time and should go and seek a job elsewhere?

That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end.

Still, Roy's fault probably.

 

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Originally posted by CPFC Dartford

Well providing a dramatic slump and relegation, which I don’t think will happen, Roy is staying next season. I for one am very split on what is the right direction to take, don’t forget Roy has had very little to spend so progression has stagnated as a result. It’s very hard to play expansive football if the quality players needed are not in place. I posted on another thread that a quality midfielder is priority
in my opinion and if we continue to have tight purse stings go for Moises Caicedo before it is too late, quality and low cost.

I think this is one thing that most of us agree on, whomever is in charge next season the squad needs significant investment. Unlike in previous windows, this coming summer we need investment in all areas of the pitch bar a new goalkeeper (unless Vicente leaves). Ferguson and Eze were a start in injecting youth into the squad, but we need more energy and pace if we are to remain competitive. If we don't invest then next season we will have to sit even deeper.

It does increasingly feel like the summer will be key to defining our future as a club. Thankfully, for all his detractors, it does seem Roy should be able to sail us safely into port where the board can then plot our next course.

 

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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

That's exactly how it works, yes. Every club in the world to ever set up a youth team pays for it in the knowledge that most of the players won't be good enough in the end.

Still, Roy's fault probably.

If none of the players in that team are going to make it then what is the point of having an under 23 side, they might as well just scrap it. Or is it just a rehab team for our geriatrics who are constantly injured. If it is then I suppose there is some justification for keeping it. Roy is not to blame for it but we will never know if any of them can step up because they haven’t been given the chance and that is part of his remit.

 

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