Quite right, it is of course a fact that Mr Hodgsons decisions during a game will have an impact on what's happening and I've never really said it doesn't but ultimately although not appearing always attractive it falls at the feet of the players to do something on the pitch in order to achieve some reasonable success, after all it's all in their own personal interests to not look silly and useless, their value must ensure some sort of response, or perhaps I've got it all totally wrong in which case the players are all well able to be playing wonderful keep ball and should be running rings around everyone they play and because their manager informs them to give the ball away all over the place and not be in position half the time then yes it's all because our manager is completely hopeless and hasn't a clue.

Whilst ever Hodgson wanted to continue managing Palace, I believed that the board would continue extending his contract annually (whatever we fans might want).

However, in light of the recent comments by Hodgson about his future and the rumours in the media about the board being unsure whether to offer him an extension (rumours based on Hodgson's recent comments perhaps?), it raises for me the extent to which this apparent uncertainty has or will affect the players. If Hodgson genuinely is unsure about whether he wants to carry on next year, then IMO he needs to be replaced sooner rather than later, preferably by mutual consent so that the new man can come in for whatever games remain to played this season at that point. Uncertainty tends to affect performance in whatever field of work or play it occurs.

I imagine that apart from those defensive players who have limited ability (and can hide behind the defensive shape) our players DON'T enjoy the football we play.

I'm sure that most players (even ours) want to play football which means they want to have the ball and show their fleetness of foot and mind and their passing skills etc. For that reason, I suspect a manager with a more forward thinking playing philosophy than Hodgson would be capable of getting a bit more from our squad. That doesn't mean going at it gung ho but having different tactics depending on the type of opposition.

Hodgson , clearly said at the end of his first season in charge that if the club wanted to progress they would need to improve the playing staff. They haven’t and the progress is hard to see. It would seem he doesn’t get what he really needs or what he thinks the club needs.
Maybe Hodgson in his last years of management has been to loyal. After all this is almost certainly his last management job. And his boyhood club at that.
And quiet honestly to reliant on the effect Wilf, has on our results. But then again you work with what you have, and what we have are limited when Wilf isnt there.
Hodgson supplies the tactics, its players that fail to sometimes do the basics well on the pitch.

I am not aware that he has blamed his players for not achieving the desired results.Be interested to see his comments on this matter.

Apropos Liverpool, he did get them to the knock-out stages of the Europa League not losing a game on the way.He was only in charge of 20 PL games for the club but Liverpool lost 4 of his last 6 PL games in charge.
He did take over a Liverpool team which finished 23 pts behind champions Chelsea the previous season, having finished runners-up the season before that.

England only lost 8 games under him in his 4 years in charge but his time at the helm is remembered for the record in tournaments.

Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 6.36pm)

I think it tells us that Hodgson, probably wasn’t the best manager in history.
I don’t think anyone is saying or thinks Hodgson, is , or was the best manager in the world.
But his career has not been all bad either. Taking Fulham, to a major European final was a great achievement, and leaving them as a solid Premier side, giving West Brom, their best seasons for some times . And his record all around Europe, has mainly been considered successful.
I would see him moving over now, but only because he has probably done all he can with this lot. Let someone else see what they can do.
But if you look at ,Fulham, W B, neither improved after he left them, and they are completely comparable to us, other than to say he possibly got a little more out of both of them.