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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Online Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Feb 21 6.40pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Why do posters keep lying on this board. Point me to a post that demands sexy football.

We get that you don’t agree, but it appears not agreeing is insufficient for some and it has to be accompanied by claims of fans with a contrary view being deluded.

Answer me one simple question. Do you think Roy’s teams played better during his first two seasons or the last two seasons. If you look back at this you will be some way to understanding why a large number of fans are no longer happy with our manager.

To be fair, I think there are a significant number of Pro Roy supporters, like myself, that acknowledge that the time for a change is approaching. Just not right now, but at the end of this season.

I want to see a more entertaining style of football. I want to see the squad revitalised with some younger players.

I said a while back that underinvestment was hindering progress but that hopefully this year would see us on a spending cycle that can enable change.

Be patient. Not long to go now, and Premier League survival more likely than not.

 


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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 23 Feb 21 7.14pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Loved last night it was actually comical, happy with the three points, will take exactly the same against Fulham and be all but safe, but last nights performance only strengthens the argument that its time for Roy to go, it went from being diabolical to comical, even the sky pundits couldn't stop laughing, let's get safe, let Roy keep us up and walk away at the end of the season but we can't keep going on like this.

So many players out of contract in the summer, zaha likely to leave, so much work to do with this squad, let's atleast get a young manager with a long term plan regardless of if we are playing in the prem or championship.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Feb 21 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Yep, and ours just can't do it. Luka, Jiaro, the Macs.. all just too slow.

So other than the forwards, the midfielders and the defenders, we've very little stopping us from playing pressing football!

I think due to the ageing of the players, eventually this season Hodgson can be excused for the defensive football played over the years. The thing is I thought we looked pretty good going forward when we attacked earlier in the season. That somehow got sucked out of us again.

Maybe we don’t need to play pressing or more possession based sexy football at all. Maybe we need to not make pointless sideways passes over and over or wait for the opposition to get set behind the ball so we have little chance creating anything with our lack of attractive football.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 23 Feb 21 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

To be fair, I think there are a significant number of Pro Roy supporters, like myself, that acknowledge that the time for a change is approaching. Just not right now, but at the end of this season.

I want to see a more entertaining style of football. I want to see the squad revitalised with some younger players.

I said a while back that underinvestment was hindering progress but that hopefully this year would see us on a spending cycle that can enable change.

Be patient. Not long to go now, and Premier League survival more likely than not.

Yes, I agree with this, I am frustrated that Roy hasn’t pushed harder for some players and I am equally frustrated that players such as Wickham and Sakho are still with us when that money could have been used to revitalise in a couple of positions. We are currently on a downward curve and this has to be resolved this summer otherwise I can only see one outcome next season.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Feb 21 8.49pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Loved last night it was actually comical, happy with the three points, will take exactly the same against Fulham and be all but safe, but last nights performance only strengthens the argument that its time for Roy to go, it went from being diabolical to comical, even the sky pundits couldn't stop laughing, let's get safe, let Roy keep us up and walk away at the end of the season but we can't keep going on like this.

So many players out of contract in the summer, zaha likely to leave, so much work to do with this squad, let's atleast get a young manager with a long term plan regardless of if we are playing in the prem or championship.


All well and good, but realistically, how long will a young manager with a long term plan be given if things go badly next year with him at the helm? I don't see our board being prepared to let us slip into the Championship - the financial consequences don't bare thinking about.

It is far more likely that the summer will see a further move in the direction of new younger players brought in with some of the existing out contract players being given extensions and, if he wants to continue, Hodgson at the helm for another season. I can only see Hodgson NOT being here if:
1) he decides to call it a day or
2) the club identify a manager they believe can also keep us in the PL whilst the evolution (not revolution) continues.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 23 Feb 21 9.24pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


All well and good, but realistically, how long will a young manager with a long term plan be given if things go badly next year with him at the helm? I don't see our board being prepared to let us slip into the Championship - the financial consequences don't bare thinking about.

It is far more likely that the summer will see a further move in the direction of new younger players brought in with some of the existing out contract players being given extensions and, if he wants to continue, Hodgson at the helm for another season. I can only see Hodgson NOT being here if:
1) he decides to call it a day or
2) the club identify a manager they believe can also keep us in the PL whilst the evolution (not revolution) continues.


That seems the reality of the situation . It could though be quiet a big if ,as to whether Hodgson, continues. Obviously he is no spring chicken, and age can hit one with a suddenness not anticipated. But beyond that ,it would seem from some of his more recent comment a good deal of negative comment with regard his way of keeping us afloat in this league, has actually touched him. It’s most likely we will get the magic 40, but there are some tough asks before the end of season, and he could well get more grief before it’s over. It would not surprise if he considered the job not worth the hassle, in particular for a man of his age.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Feb 21 10.01pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


That seems the reality of the situation . It could though be quiet a big if ,as to whether Hodgson, continues. Obviously he is no spring chicken, and age can hit one with a suddenness not anticipated. But beyond that ,it would seem from some of his more recent comment a good deal of negative comment with regard his way of keeping us afloat in this league, has actually touched him. It’s most likely we will get the magic 40, but there are some tough asks before the end of season, and he could well get more grief before it’s over. It would not surprise if he considered the job not worth the hassle, in particular for a man of his age.

I see it in a similar way, hence my reference to Hodgson possibly deciding to call it a day. As Willo has said, it seems Hodgson will be celebrating his golden wedding later this year. He may just decide he'd rather celebrate it away from football.

 

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 23 Feb 21 10.14pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


All well and good, but realistically, how long will a young manager with a long term plan be given if things go badly next year with him at the helm? I don't see our board being prepared to let us slip into the Championship - the financial consequences don't bare thinking about.

It is far more likely that the summer will see a further move in the direction of new younger players brought in with some of the existing out contract players being given extensions and, if he wants to continue, Hodgson at the helm for another season. I can only see Hodgson NOT being here if:
1) he decides to call it a day or
2) the club identify a manager they believe can also keep us in the PL whilst the evolution (not revolution) continues.

I think the board need to be realistic, obviously for them Premier league survival is a must but with having to do such a massive overhaul it looks in the summer we are pretty much starting from square one, I'm pretty sure atleadt 50% of the players we want to retain will stay as there's not one player that is realistically going to a bigger club for more money than they're being offered here. Tho even more than them the biggest thing is if zaha leaves, the whole dynamic of who we are as a team is going to change drastically. Like Burnley,Fulham and probably Norwich this season, sticking with managers and bouncing straight back up. Would rather have a manager that will be around if we do get relegated instead of getting an experienced manager in December solely to keep us up only to ultimately fail and start again but in the championship. Much better chance comming straight back up with a manager who has already worked with the squad the previous season. Bet big Sam doesn't stick around if west brom go.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 24 Feb 21 6.41am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This may be true, but I don’t think I can return as a season ticket holder knowing that I’m going to endure this over and over again.

If we’re at a new 3 year FFP period this summer, and I’ve seen a few other clubs come out of these, then maybe that’ll change things, and/or Roy leaves, the tedium of nothing to get excited about might change.

But now it appears we owe the Americans or shareholders £50 million before doing any business this summer. Half of that is apparently because of Covid. Other teams will have lost revenue same as us, but it will be more of their % revenue than us, although I’m not sure regarding relegation candidates.

We’re undoubtedly looking to be not as bad as 3 teams in the league, whether that he because they’re newcomers, run out of funds or in the latter stages of their 3 year FFP cycles, and I accept that will happen with us at some point, regardless of how many seasons we’ve been in the league. But what I can’t accept forever, and watching it all at home because of Covid makes you realise this, is seeing us have a few shots on goal every month or two. Maybe just touches in the opposition box. I remember Parish quoting ‘’we can’t rely on the bounce of the ball in the opposition box to get results’’. Well I’m waiting to see what significant changes happen because it needs to be the manager or the players or both. Ideally the ownership, but they can change the management and/or players and not the other way round as we know.

Ye gods. I missed the story. Got a link?

 


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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 24 Feb 21 7.41am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Ye gods. I missed the story. Got a link?

I am pretty certain, although memory may be plying tricks on me, that when the American Investors were announced it was a case of they were providing the 50 mill needed to build the new stand and not an `ownership takeover or even as partial owners`. Obviously we do not know the financial details but I believe the general consensus is that some/all or part of that 50 mill was used to purchase some of the players we had to buy to stay in the prem, some of those `emergency` January signings of the past.

There is much bemoaning of why the American Investors don't support the club more financially, and I've been one of them. But it may be the case they are not `owners` just `investors` who invested money for a particular project and have seen their money spent elsewhere. A broken situation as to why would they possibly invest more if they no longer trust what they are being asked to invest in? And now have they had enough and are simply saying give us our money back, we invested it for a particular project and your not delivering what you promised.

Edited by Mwncisee (24 Feb 2021 7.41am)

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 24 Feb 21 8.52am Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

I am pretty certain, although memory may be plying tricks on me, that when the American Investors were announced it was a case of they were providing the 50 mill needed to build the new stand and not an `ownership takeover or even as partial owners`. Obviously we do not know the financial details but I believe the general consensus is that some/all or part of that 50 mill was used to purchase some of the players we had to buy to stay in the prem, some of those `emergency` January signings of the past.

There is much bemoaning of why the American Investors don't support the club more financially, and I've been one of them. But it may be the case they are not `owners` just `investors` who invested money for a particular project and have seen their money spent elsewhere. A broken situation as to why would they possibly invest more if they no longer trust what they are being asked to invest in? And now have they had enough and are simply saying give us our money back, we invested it for a particular project and your not delivering what you promised.

Edited by Mwncisee (24 Feb 2021 7.41am)

I believe the money for the stand (£100m) is separate to any other money the Americans put in. The money for the stand, and the academy buildings, is not subject to FFP so the Americans can just spend their own money on those projects as they wish. Any money they put in for buying players and paying wages is subject to FFP regulations and is therefore limited to loans to the club. Palace borrowed about £30m from the Americans for the players Allardyce bought, and then another £25m recently to cover covid losses.

Generally they are here to invest in the bricks and mortar, and have no role in the operation of the club, although they are joint owners and directors with Parish and some other smaller shareholders.

There are ways the Americans could lend Palace a few more quid for players but not very much more until we hit a major FFP hurdle. They would need to be able to show that Palace have the capability to pay it back in future, which is hard to do until the club has greater income. That, in turn, depends on the new stand with its executive facilities.

 

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View Ginger Pubic Wig's Profile Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 24 Feb 21 11.14am Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

On reflection, if Covid hits the club's finances then the club will have needed financial support. Whoever provides that financial support will, unless doing charity work, expect their money back. So us owing the yanks X can sound far more ominous than it is.

I am making this call: this summer will be a period of amazing market opportunities.

Our soon-to-be depleted squad will give us huge opportunities to acquire good players in an incredible buyers market. Opportunities that other clubs, with bloated squads of players they cannot offload, cannot take.

Edited by Ginger Pubic Wig (24 Feb 2021 11.36am)

 


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