You mark my words, once the stadiums are full again it will be a different story... teams won’t be playing with the abandonment that they are at the moment...

I think comparisons to Bellisa and the Liverpool 9-0 defeat under Coppell are both disingenuous.

Both teams were newly promoted and the managers had a lot of credit in the bank.

Roy has earnt credit from his performance 3 years ago, but has been burning through it since. No one is calling for sacking Hodgson on the Liverpool result in isolation. The fact is, over the last 12 months there are now only 4 premiership teams with a lower points per game tally than us (Brighton, Sheffield United, Fulham and West Brom), and we are largely on a downward trajectory.

As Willo points out, Leeds won 10 of their last 12 games at the end of last season, we got 1 point from our last 8.

Although, I would say to Willo that this year Leeds had the luxury of a short break before the end of the season to revive themselves, where in previous years they've fallen flat on their face.

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety.

So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise.

I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job.

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Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings

It was those 9 games that they would’ve been knackered for and which the break helped them.

His teams do have a history of faltering and maybe this Leeds team was just the one exception.

Now isn’t the right time, we are in an ok position and you can see the players are putting in a shift. The Liverpool game was different and everything just clicked for Liverpool that day.

I certainly wouldn’t want to go down the West Brom route which is a big mistake. Let’s get through this season and then see where we are...