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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 25 Oct 20 1.49am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

My father would not allow the shame of accepting free school meals. My brother and I would take a tanner to school for dinner, if there was money spare. I remember fights over food at Kingsdown and then Dog Kennel Hill school when I was young. How come this is now big news?

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 25 Oct 20 1.54am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

My father would not allow the shame of accepting free school meals. My brother and I would take a tanner to school for dinner, if there was money spare. I remember fights over food at Kingsdown and then Dog Kennel Hill school when I was young. How come this is now big news?

There is no shame in accepting a free school meal if it genuinely makes a difference to a child in need. Maybe kids having to 'fight over food' isn't optimal. Put down the styrofoam 'stone tablet' for a second, and realise that you don't get to speak for the struggles or character of every single parent out there - some of whom you imagine to be primed to sell their kids £15 vouchers (that they aren't going to get anyway) to 'buy drugs'. If you're so judgemental of free school meals that you would demonise families and consequently children, for doing so, the shame lies a little closer to home I'm afraid. All shaming children having free schools meals does is encourage the marginalisation and bullying (real 'bullying' Tim) of vulnerable and disadvantaged children.


Why is it an issue now? There's a once in a lifetime pandemic going on and some people are seriously struggling with their finances and to put food on the table. Possibly that is reason enough.

As practical advice for struggling families, I would say don't be in any way ashamed to accept free school meals or to visit a food bank if you really need to. And if you're in a more fortunate position and have worked from home of late, make sure you claim your work from home tax relief and consider donating it to one of these organisations. Then giftaid it as way of making the government at least pay a contribution towards providing the basics. 'Treat others as you'd like to be treated if you were down on your luck', isn't a bad rule to live by. It's more helpful and realistic than comforting yourself with sweeping ideas that everyone going that route is an addict, a bad parent, 'shameful', or otherwise on the make.


Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 2.09am)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 25 Oct 20 1.56am

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Ok, how many malnourished adults?

No, we're not playing pick a new subject to run away from the current one.

The fact of the matter is people contribute either in a positive or a negative manner, and in Marcus Rashford's own way he has certainly done more than his fair share to help. Many footballers, and more so most rich people do sod all to help anyone, and so someone actively doing good shouldn't be the first person to lay into (I'm not saying that you're personally doing this at all, you at least appear to recognise his good intentions). And as someone doing his best, it's a logical step for him to think that the government may want to help too. It appears that they are not but that others have stepped in, and so decency has found a way.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 1.12am)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Oct 20 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Ok, how many malnourished adults?

If you knew anything about dementia you would realise.

 

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jeeagles Flag 25 Oct 20 1.03pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

There is no shame in accepting a free school meal if it genuinely makes a difference to a child in need.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 2.09am)

There should be no shame.
But in reality there is.

A little bit of shame here and there isn't so much of a bad thing in some circumstances.

 

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View grumpymort's Profile grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 25 Oct 20 6.33pm Send a Private Message to grumpymort Add grumpymort as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

No, we're not playing pick a new subject to run away from the current one.

The fact of the matter is people contribute either in a positive or a negative manner, and in Marcus Rashford's own way he has certainly done more than his fair share to help. Many footballers, and more so most rich people do sod all to help anyone, and so someone actively doing good shouldn't be the first person to lay into (I'm not saying that you're personally doing this at all, you at least appear to recognise his good intentions). And as someone doing his best, it's a logical step for him to think that the government may want to help too. It appears that they are not but that others have stepped in, and so decency has found a way.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 1.12am)


These people do it for their own interests don't think he is doing it because he is a nice guy.

You will find most footballers have some involvement with charities not all of them feel the need to show it off.

If he really cared he could of done this himself as a charity thing not trying to play the card that govt are bad and not helping the guy alone earns 200 thousand a week and why is he now suddenly pushing it it's because he has a team around him which control his image etc

When he first became a name he never mentioned any of this

Edited by grumpymort (25 Oct 2020 6.36pm)

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Oct 20 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

This is the quandary.

You have the richest black (brown) people in the world (Obama, NFL players, Lewis Hamilton, PL players) moaning about injustice.

Skin colour is not a prejudice,...you morons,..., it is divisive by its suggestion.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Oct 20 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

So a least educated, but most well-paid employee gets to talk about Government Policy. What a world we live in, ...innit,...

And don't get me started on that c-unit of a PM and the people that voted for it,...

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 25 Oct 20 6.53pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

And the charidee work is a tax dodge. I paid more tax than any PL player last year. Well done the accountants.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 25 Oct 20 7.20pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

There is no shame in accepting a free school meal(1) if it genuinely makes a difference to a child in need. Maybe kids having to 'fight over food' isn't optimal. Put down the styrofoam 'stone tablet' for a second,(2) and realise that you don't get to speak for the struggles or character of every single parent(3) out there - some of whom you imagine to be primed to sell their kids £15 vouchers (that they aren't going to get anyway) to 'buy drugs'. If you're so judgemental of free school meals(4) that you would demonise families and consequently children, for doing so, the shame lies a little closer to home I'm afraid.(5) All shaming children having free schools meals does is encourage the marginalisation and bullying (real 'bullying' Tim) of vulnerable and disadvantaged children.


Why is it an issue now? There's a once in a lifetime pandemic going on and some people are seriously struggling with their finances and to put food on the table. Possibly that is reason enough.

As practical advice for struggling families, I would say don't be in any way ashamed to accept free school meals or to visit a food bank if you really need to. And if you're in a more fortunate position and have worked from home of late, make sure you claim your work from home tax relief and consider donating it to one of these organisations. Then giftaid it as way of making the government at least pay a contribution towards providing the basics. 'Treat others as you'd like to be treated if you were down on your luck', isn't a bad rule to live by. It's more helpful and realistic than comforting yourself with sweeping ideas that everyone going that route is an addict, a bad parent, 'shameful', or otherwise on the make. ( 7 )


Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 2.09am)

<deep breath, count to ten>

1 I never said there was shame. But some people feel it.

2 Get off your high horse and stop making condescending remarks.

3 But Rashford, and yourself do?

4 I haven't judged anything

5 I demonised nobody, so suffer no shame. Trying to make someone feel guilty is extremely low.

6 It's been around since before Dickens came up with the name Twist, when poverty was really a thing in Britain, but now, because of a virus, it suddenly hits the headlines.

The highlight in blue I agree with completely.

7 This is where you fall down. Why would you think I need to "comfort myself", and where did I say "everyone"? The fact is that chidren are malnourished in the majority of cases because of bad parenting. Giving bad parents more money will not solve the problem. Which is pretty much the arsewipe gov's reply too.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (25 Oct 2020 7.21pm)

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 25 Oct 20 7.27pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

No, we're not playing pick a new subject to run away from the current one.

The fact of the matter is people contribute either in a positive or a negative manner, and in Marcus Rashford's own way he has certainly done more than his fair share to help. Many footballers, and more so most rich people do sod all to help anyone, and so someone actively doing good shouldn't be the first person to lay into (I'm not saying that you're personally doing this at all, you at least appear to recognise his good intentions). And as someone doing his best, it's a logical step for him to think that the government may want to help too. It appears that they are not but that others have stepped in, and so decency has found a way.

Edited by BlueJay (25 Oct 2020 1.12am)

It's not a new subject. Let me join up the dots for you.

You were replying to an answer to a post by Mapletree in which he gave numbers of children malnourished. If those children are cared for by responsible parents, then why are their parents not also malnourished? So the question stands. I see that he has somehow managed to get mental illness involved since I asked. Right 'on topic'!

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 25 Oct 20 7.29pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

If you knew anything about dementia you would realise.

See above.

I also know enough that it is extremely rare for parents of young children to have dementia.....

 


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