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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You produce a tame insult and then complain about receiving one in return.

Mine was no insult. It was sarcasm.

Why though do you feel obliged to join in?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Mine was no insult. It was sarcasm.

Why though do you feel obliged to join in?

Generally held to be the lowest form of wit.

Edited by becky (14 Jan 2021 6.35pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Mine was no insult. It was sarcasm.

Why though do you feel obliged to join in?

Do you ever run out of pins?

Well, Hrolf was right and I read your line and thought of a better one.

No biggie.

 


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Originally posted by ASCPFC

You've got the power to know.

 


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Originally posted by becky

Generally held to be the lowest form of wit.

Edited by becky (14 Jan 2021 6.35pm)

Undoubtedly so, but still wit and not insult.

It's the best I can manage at the moment as there is rather a lot of water on the back of this duck and he is becoming a little wearied by it.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Do you ever run out of pins?

Well, Hrolf was right and I read your line and thought of a better one.

No biggie.

Hrolf was wrong. As I have patiently shown you.

I can think of many lines to top others here but don't use them. If I intervene I generally apologise and then make points pertinent to the discussion.

I don't just jump in and attempt to play the smart ars*.

It might not be a "biggie" to you but it is seriously wearing to me. You used to ask me not to answer you at all, which I declined to do, because I want to engage with what I regard as fallacious arguments. Not to just trade insults like school kids do.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No time needed. It ought to be blindingly obvious that a person's skin colour and another person's attitude to it are entirely different things.

One is a physical attribute whilst the other is part of a belief system.

Only those in denial will try to argue they are one and the same.

Thus the protest is about all about attitudes and not at all about skin colour. It's about discrimination in general but especially about the discrimination which continues to be shown towards certain people.

As quite a few posting here seem to be in denial I anticipate some denials, sarcasm or similar caustic comments.

Those whose eyes are open can see. Those who keep them shut cannot. Those willing to open them a little might find that Specsavers can help. They are open.

That is just fudge.

You said it was not about skin colour and then said it was about attitudes toward skin colour.

It is therefore about skin colour.

I'm glad to say that unlike Covid, your self delusional narcissism is not contagious.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is just fudge.

You said it was not about skin colour and then said it was about attitudes toward skin colour.

It is therefore about skin colour.

I'm glad to say that unlike Covid, your self delusional narcissism is not contagious.

This is what I actually wrote:-

"The protest has nothing to do with skin colour though does it?

That people assume it does is a large part of this problem.

The protest is about discrimination. In this case because of attitudes about skin colour.

It's the discrimination and the attitudes which are causing the protests."

Please read it slowly, line by line. Some people only see what they want to see. Try not to be one of them!

I very clearly say the protests are about discrimination and that in this case that discrimination is caused by people's attitudes.

If you want to debate why some people hold these attitudes and discriminate as a consequence that's fine. It is though a separate debate.

This one is about the protests and why concerned people are holding them. They aren't protesting about the colour of their skins are they? They are protesting about attitudes held by others and the discrimination which results. Discrimination which shows itself in a myriad of ways.

There is an important distinction here which seems to escape a lot of people. I hope I have helped you to recognise that.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is what I actually wrote:-

"The protest has nothing to do with skin colour though does it?

That people assume it does is a large part of this problem.

The protest is about discrimination. In this case because of attitudes about skin colour.

It's the discrimination and the attitudes which are causing the protests."

Please read it slowly, line by line. Some people only see what they want to see. Try not to be one of them!

I very clearly say the protests are about discrimination and that in this case that discrimination is caused by people's attitudes.

If you want to debate why some people hold these attitudes and discriminate as a consequence that's fine. It is though a separate debate.

This one is about the protests and why concerned people are holding them. They aren't protesting about the colour of their skins are they? They are protesting about attitudes held by others and the discrimination which results. Discrimination which shows itself in a myriad of ways.

There is an important distinction here which seems to escape a lot of people. I hope I have helped you to recognise that.

No, they are protesting about what they claim is racism because of their skin colour.

I know this because one group involved is call BLACK Lives Matter. Now forgive me, but I thought that the BLACK part was a reference to... Skin colour.

You contradicted yourself in one post, and you know it, so don't waste more time trying to pretend otherwise.

I'm happy to debate the real reason behind all this but you won't like the truth.

 

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If anyone needs proof that WE will engage and argue the most absurd positions out there it's presented right here.

The idea that 'attitudes about skin colour' have nothing....and I repeat his word, 'nothing' to do with skin colour is so ridiculous I almost can't believe I'm writing about it.

In a sense perhaps I should be comforted that this guy has finally come around to an almost pathological recognition of categories...but here's it's to a comical extent.

Let's look at this idea:

My attitude towards Crystal Palace.....well it has nothing to do with Crystal Palace.....even though it will govern how I treat Crystal Palace, how much money I spend, what I do with my time.

I also laugh at the reductionist idea that it's only about 'discrimination'....really so is it racial or not?

I'm imagining that it is as these protests wouldn't really be happening over my preference for long legged women over short legged women would they?

I'm also quite sure that these protests aren't happening about discrimination against white people. For example I doubt any of those people complained about the BBC's programe on 'Whiteness'.

So really what we have here are lies defended for ego purposes....how much the individual actually believes in them I don't know...I party think it's contrarian overload.

Perhaps someone should present WE with a golden pin.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, they are protesting about what they claim is racism because of their skin colour.

I know this because one group involved is call BLACK Lives Matter. Now forgive me, but I thought that the BLACK part was a reference to... Skin colour.

You contradicted yourself in one post, and you know it, so don't waste more time trying to pretend otherwise.

I'm happy to debate the real reason behind all this but you won't like the truth.

That's clearly untrue as those protesting have a variety of skin colours. They are though protesting about racism. Which is an attitude.

I think calling the protest "Black lives matter" to be an unfortunate and incorrect description. Not only because of the opportunity it provides for detractors to jump in and assert false associations with the political organisation which uses that name, but also because it allows people like you to make these kinds of fake accusations. "All lives matter" would have been much better because this protest is about discrimination and is being made by people with all shades of skin colour.

I have often argued in these pages about the need for everyone, whatever their skin colour might be, to stop classifying themselves, or others, or other groups by the colour of their skin. Look only at the character and behaviour of people and use those attributes as the descriptors.

You might not get the importance of this, let alone care very much. It is something which isn't even recognised by most of the media but I predict it will become so in the not too distant future.

As with so many things, time will tell.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If anyone needs proof that WE will engage and argue the most absurd positions out there it's presented right here.

The idea that 'attitudes about skin colour' have nothing....and I repeat his word, 'nothing' to do with skin colour is so ridiculous I almost can't believe I'm writing about it.

In a sense perhaps I should be comforted that this guy has finally come around to an almost pathological recognition of categories...but here's it's to a comical extent.

Let's look at this idea:

My attitude towards Crystal Palace.....well it has nothing to do with Crystal Palace.....even though it will govern how I treat Crystal Palace, how much money I spend, what I do with my time.

I also laugh at the reductionist idea that it's only about 'discrimination'....really so is it racial or not?

I'm imagining that it is as these protests wouldn't really be happening over my preference for long legged women over short legged women would they?

I'm also quite sure that these protests aren't happening about discrimination against white people. For example I doubt any of those people complained about the BBC's programe on 'Whiteness'.

So really what we have here are lies defended for ego purposes....how much the individual actually believes in them I don't know...I party think it's contrarian overload.

Perhaps someone should present WE with a golden pin.

As you frequently talk about the "white race in these pages, which is a concept I both reject and think abhorrent, I am not the least surprised by this answer. It is as predictable as it is wrong.

At the core this is a very simple issue. People are not to be judged on their appearance, but by who they are. Using any kind of descriptive terminology which relies solely on appearance is inaccurate and we all need to think about that and try harder.

We have learned not to denigrate those with disabilities by separating them rom the rest of us with labels. We have done the same with sexuality. We have learned and improved. Or at least most of us have.

We lag behind on the skin colour issue, but it is essentially the same one and we will get there.

We therefore need to get away from using unhelpful and innaccurate terminology and concentrate on what really matters. What these protests are about are the attitudes that still exist in society which result in this kind of discrimination.

Those attitudes are as a consequence of differentness, and not as a consequence of skin colour.

It might be a convenient shorthand to use a lazy descriptive but it's also dangerous.

As you seem to have scant regard for putting society in danger I guess you won't care too much about that though.

 

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