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 Teddy Eagle  13 Dec 20 8.41am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with what I say. Many people, including those involved, have said so. That's why it's simple. Ignore their feelings and you show them (not me) disrespect. It's very straightforward. As I have said several times the intended audience is not a bunch of local supporters, but the millions watching around the world. Measuring it's impact is impossible as it cannot be seen in isolation. It's part of a wider effort. By the time the grounds are full again I expect it will have run its course and be replaced by something else, but whilst it is being done no supporter should boo it. If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway. With only small numbers being allowed in then the clubs will have no problem in identifying and banning anyone who continues to do this after they have been requested not to. Or the FA could step in and ban all supporters for a game or two until it stops, thus encouraging others to ensure it's hushed by the majority. We'll see. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 8.35am) It’s not just a question of being associated. BLM have applied to become a political party.
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Rudi Hedman  Caterham 13 Dec 20 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing to do with what I say. Many people, including those involved, have said so. That's why it's simple. Ignore their feelings and you show them (not me) disrespect. It's very straightforward. As I have said several times the intended audience is not a bunch of local supporters, but the millions watching around the world. Measuring it's impact is impossible as it cannot be seen in isolation. It's part of a wider effort. By the time the grounds are full again I expect it will have run its course and be replaced by something else, but whilst it is being done no supporter should boo it. If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway. With only small numbers being allowed in then the clubs will have no problem in identifying and banning anyone who continues to do this after they have been requested not to. Or the FA could step in and ban all supporters for a game or two until it stops, thus encouraging others to ensure it's hushed by the majority. We'll see. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 8.35am) Many people don’t agree with kneeling. That’s why it isn’t ‘simple.’ But you ignore views opposing yours as usual. Showing your usual conceited ignorance if you think kneeling makes any impact in the countries watching premier league football live. I know Dan’s said ‘’It’s only for 5 seconds anyway’’ and you probably have as well. It will run its course and achieve little. It’ll be dropped by the time crowds are back because crowds are back. It’s run its course anyway, it’s achieving nothing and will continue to do so. This is why AJ in boxing is dropping it and coming up with meaningful things to campaign on. Hopefully it’ll be done by a different person than the one who wrote his speech in the park in the summer, declaring boycotting white businesses. More divisive black panther type stuff and hasn’t really happened I would expect and isn’t likely to. ‘If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public.’ IF? They’re probably going to become a political party to remove all doubt. You cannot see through a mask.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It’s not just a question of being associated. BLM have applied to become a political party. So what? What I said is what I meant. It's nothing to do with someone registering "BLM" as the name of a political party. It is how the term BLM is regarded by the general public. Right now only a few connect it with a political movement. Only those who are obsessed about left-wing US politics know about them. If that changes then I expect that football too would change.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 10.24am |
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Kneeling is an act of submission. A man never kneels to another man or anything else unless it's his king/Queen or his god or he's romantically proposing. A true Englishman/Scotsman/Welshman/Irishman is never going to kneel. These organisations are internationalist and corporately funded and that's why all the elites allow them unfetted propaganda. Betrayal. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 10.25am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 20 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Kneeling is an act of submission. A man never kneels to another man or anything else unless it's his king/Queen or his god or he's romantically proposing. A true Englishman/Scotsman/Welshman/Irishman is never going to kneel. These organisations are internationalist and corporately funded and that's why all the elites allow them unfetted propaganda. Betrayal. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 10.25am) Include Zod.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Kneeling is an act of submission. A man never kneels to another man or anything else unless it's his king/Queen or his god or he's romantically proposing. A true Englishman/Scotsman/Welshman/Irishman is never going to kneel. These organisations are internationalist and corporately funded and that's why all the elites allow them unfetted propaganda. Betrayal. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 10.25am) You don't half have some strange ideas! Who on earth do you think the players are submitting to? They aren't kneeling to anyone! They are kneeling for something. They are demonstrating support and not submission. If, in your warped world, taking the knee would hurt your sense of manliness as no-one's going to force you to do it, you can relax. What though gives you, or anyone else, the right to interfere with others who disagree? Do you really think the players are doing this as members of, or at the behest of, an "internationalist and corporately funded" organisation on behalf of some mythical "elite"? I call poppycock!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 20 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't half have some strange ideas! Who on earth do you think the players are submitting to? They aren't kneeling to anyone! They are kneeling for something. They are demonstrating support and not submission. If, in your warped world, taking the knee would hurt your sense of manliness as no-one's going to force you to do it, you can relax. What though gives you, or anyone else, the right to interfere with others who disagree? Do you really think the players are doing this as members of, or at the behest of, an "internationalist and corporately funded" organisation on behalf of some mythical "elite"? I call poppycock! And Wayne Hennessey was just waving to Max Myer
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Include Zod.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 11.11am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And Wayne Hennessey was just waving to Max Myer When Lennon did the Nazi salute we had far less sputtering puritanical morons around in power. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2020 11.13am)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 20 11.21am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't half have some strange ideas! Who on earth do you think the players are submitting to? They aren't kneeling to anyone! They are kneeling for something. They are demonstrating support and not submission. If, in your warped world, taking the knee would hurt your sense of manliness as no-one's going to force you to do it, you can relax. What though gives you, or anyone else, the right to interfere with others who disagree? Do you really think the players are doing this as members of, or at the behest of, an "internationalist and corporately funded" organisation on behalf of some mythical "elite"? I call poppycock! See the events in the summer in especially London after a dangerous criminal was accidentally murdered while he was on patrol with other ethnic minority policemen. If none of that had gone on you’d have more people go ‘Oh ok, fair enough.’ But it did, didn’t it? You’ve talked about respect. Respect works both ways. The kneeling has been accompanied with the fist power salute which you yourself admit to be provocative or something. If someone got on with doing something this kneeling would be exposed for the pointless action it really is. But I expect you would claim any substantial changes were because some footballers got on one knee.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 13 Dec 20 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You don't half have some strange ideas! Who on earth do you think the players are submitting to? They aren't kneeling to anyone! They are kneeling for something. They are demonstrating support and not submission. If, in your warped world, taking the knee would hurt your sense of manliness as no-one's going to force you to do it, you can relax. What though gives you, or anyone else, the right to interfere with others who disagree? Do you really think the players are doing this as members of, or at the behest of, an "internationalist and corporately funded" organisation on behalf of some mythical "elite"? I call poppycock! They are NOT kneeling 'for' something, thare kneeling because they've been TOLD to.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And Wayne Hennessey was just waving to Max Myer What on earth has that got to do with this?
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