Nhs staff and brexit

nickyf 13 Dec 20 11.53am
Since the referendum i have noticed nearly everyone working in the nhs seems to be remainers and are not afraid to say so, I have seen quite a bit of bullying towards anyone who dared to admit voting out. Is the nhs going to be screwed by brexit?
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nickyf 13 Dec 20 11.53am

Since the referendum i have noticed nearly everyone working in the nhs seems to be remainers and are not afraid to say so,

I have seen quite a bit of bullying towards anyone who dared to admit voting out.

Is the nhs going to be screwed by brexit?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.01pm
Originally posted by nickyf Since the referendum i have noticed nearly everyone working in the nhs seems to be remainers and are not afraid to say so, I have seen quite a bit of bullying towards anyone who dared to admit voting out. Is the nhs going to be screwed by brexit? Same in my work in education. They will just have to shut up and get on with their work, like everyone else has to. The funniest thing to mention in the staffroom is Trump. Next funniest is Brexit, then dare to question any of the diversity campaigns. The knives have been out for me, but I don't give a f@ck,they can shove it up their holes. There are the quiet few, however, who don't go along with this. The smoking area the best place for this. The staffroom too full of ears. If the NHS is f@cked it's not because of Brexit. Unfortunately it's a hundred other reasons too complicated to fully go into. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.01pm

Originally posted by nickyf

Since the referendum i have noticed nearly everyone working in the nhs seems to be remainers and are not afraid to say so,

I have seen quite a bit of bullying towards anyone who dared to admit voting out.

Is the nhs going to be screwed by brexit?

Same in my work in education. They will just have to shut up and get on with their work, like everyone else has to. The funniest thing to mention in the staffroom is Trump. Next funniest is Brexit, then dare to question any of the diversity campaigns.
The knives have been out for me, but I don't give a f@ck,they can shove it up their holes.
There are the quiet few, however, who don't go along with this. The smoking area the best place for this. The staffroom too full of ears.
If the NHS is f@cked it's not because of Brexit. Unfortunately it's a hundred other reasons too complicated to fully go into.

Red and Blue Army!

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 20 12.06pm
I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS. If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Dec 20 12.06pm

I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS.

If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU.

One more point

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.14pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS. If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU. A few Irish friends of mine are nurses and so is my ex-wife. They have no intention of leaving the NHS. They're probably remain as it suits them personally. Frankly, remain would suit me better too - as I'm a British citizen in the EU. I haven't bothered getting my Irish passport, which won't be too hard for me. I'm not going register or do anything. I've been here 22 years, no one's going to notice. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.14pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS.

If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU.

A few Irish friends of mine are nurses and so is my ex-wife. They have no intention of leaving the NHS. They're probably remain as it suits them personally. Frankly, remain would suit me better too - as I'm a British citizen in the EU. I haven't bothered getting my Irish passport, which won't be too hard for me. I'm not going register or do anything. I've been here 22 years, no one's going to notice.

Red and Blue Army!

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Dec 20 12.23pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS. If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU. Agreed. We can still employ foreigner health staff, if required. Separately but connected, instead of continually relying on foreigners why don�t we start training up our own youngsters to do these jobs Edited by Tom-the-eagle (13 Dec 2020 12.24pm) "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 13 Dec 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS.

If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU.

Agreed. We can still employ foreigner health staff, if required.

Separately but connected, instead of continually relying on foreigners why don�t we start training up our own youngsters to do these jobs

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (13 Dec 2020 12.24pm)

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.33pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS. If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU. My wife works at the RCN, the principal hospital for Cornwall. She tells me that there has already been a very noticeable shift this year with a large number of staff who came from EU countries going "home" and being replaced by new staff from elsewhere. Notably from Africa, The Philippines and India. This, of course, causes disruption just when it's not wanted. Many are provided by agencies, often London based. The costs are high, the training incomplete and NHS experience limited at best. Many are still going through the adaptation process so are unauthorised to work unsupervised. Great result. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.33pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I would hope with the new immigration rules it will be easier for qualified staff from around the world to come and work for the NHS.

If not then the rules need to be changed if the government wont change the rules we should change the government something you couldn't have done under the EU.

My wife works at the RCN, the principal hospital for Cornwall. She tells me that there has already been a very noticeable shift this year with a large number of staff who came from EU countries going "home" and being replaced by new staff from elsewhere. Notably from Africa, The Philippines and India. This, of course, causes disruption just when it's not wanted. Many are provided by agencies, often London based. The costs are high, the training incomplete and NHS experience limited at best. Many are still going through the adaptation process so are unauthorised to work unsupervised.

Great result.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.40pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Agreed. We can still employ foreigner health staff, if required. Separately but connected, instead of continually relying on foreigners why don�t we start training up our own youngsters to do these jobs Edited by Tom-the-eagle (13 Dec 2020 12.24pm) We do already but you cannot turn a tap on. There aren't enough training places, or university lecturers now. That needs to be put in place first. A year ago Johnson and Hancock made this statement:- [Link] Guess what? It isn't actually true. Some nursing students have been refused the grant after already budgeting for it. This government is a disaster. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 12.40pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Agreed. We can still employ foreigner health staff, if required.

Separately but connected, instead of continually relying on foreigners why don�t we start training up our own youngsters to do these jobs

Edited by Tom-the-eagle (13 Dec 2020 12.24pm)

We do already but you cannot turn a tap on. There aren't enough training places, or university lecturers now. That needs to be put in place first.

A year ago Johnson and Hancock made this statement:-

[Link]

Guess what? It isn't actually true. Some nursing students have been refused the grant after already budgeting for it. This government is a disaster.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 13 Dec 20 12.43pm
another relevant aspect to this discussion is 'nhs customers and brexit' i met many at Mayday who couldn't speak a word of English. It prompted the question 'how long had they been in the UK before presenting to the hospital ?'' Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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another relevant aspect to this discussion is

'nhs customers and brexit'

i met many at Mayday who couldn't speak a word of English. It prompted the question 'how long had they been in the UK before presenting to the hospital ?''

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.45pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My wife works at the RCN, the principal hospital for Cornwall. She tells me that there has already been a very noticeable shift this year with a large number of staff who came from EU countries going "home" and being replaced by new staff from elsewhere. Notably from Africa, The Philippines and India. This, of course, causes disruption just when it's not wanted. Many are provided by agencies, often London based. The costs are high, the training incomplete and NHS experience limited at best. Many are still going through the adaptation process so are unauthorised to work unsupervised. Great result. There's little chance of knowing how much Covid is to blame for this. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Dec 20 12.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Great result.

There's little chance of knowing how much Covid is to blame for this.

Red and Blue Army!

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