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BlueJay Flag UK 21 Feb 21 2.02pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Just read that israel are going to vaccinate 100k Palestinians who work in israel. We could see some unexpected benefits from this sad moment in time.

That's great news, Cryrst. Israel are player a blinder in all regards, and as you rightly highlight maybe some unexpected good can come from such a horrid time.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 22 Feb 21 2.10am

Pfizer-BioNTech Shot Stops Covid Spread, Israeli Study Shows - [Link]

Quote The Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE Covid-19 vaccine appeared to stop the vast majority of recipients in Israel becoming infected, providing the first real-world indication that the immunization will curb transmission of the coronavirus.

The vaccine, which is being rolled out in a national immunization program that began Dec. 20, was 89.4% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed infections, according to a copy of a draft publication that was posted on Twitter and confirmed by a person familiar with the work. The companies worked with Israel’s Health Ministry on the preliminary observational analysis, which wasn’t peer-reviewed. Some scientists disputed its accuracy.

The results, also reported in Der Spiegel, are the latest in a series of positive data to emerge out of Israel, which has given more Covid vaccines per capita than anywhere else in the world. Almost half of the population has had at least one dose of vaccine. Separately, Israeli authorities on Saturday said the Pfizer-BioNTech shot was 99% effective at preventing deaths from the virus.

If confirmed, the early results on lab-tested infections are encouraging because they indicate the vaccine may also prevent asymptomatic carriers from spreading the virus that causes Covid-19. That’s not been clear because the clinical trials that tested the safety and efficacy of vaccines focused on the ability to stop symptomatic infections.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 22 Feb 21 3.04pm

And good news regarding the Oxford vaccine too..

Single vaccine jab linked to 85% and 94% drop in risk of coronavirus hospital admissions in Scotland, study shows - [Link]

Quote Experts examined coronavirus hospital admissions in Scotland among people who have had their first jab and compared them to those who had not yet received a vaccine.

Four weeks after receiving the initial dose, the Oxford jab appeared to reduce a person's risk of hospital admission by 94%.

Those who received the Pfizer jab had a reduction in risk of 85% between 28 and 34 days after the first dose.

Interesting that the Pfizer data was less impressive than the Oxford in this particular study. Though of course broadly speaking these results are still very impressive. No doubt more data will come in over the coming weeks.

Edited by BlueJay (22 Feb 2021 3.05pm)

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 22 Feb 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

To be fair though I would like to know what his and his wife's reasoning is. Hes said they are both professionals in the field so there must be some logic to their stance. Whether it cuts ice with me is another matter. I'm having the jab when invited as what I've seen gives me positive vibes; and it does appear to be the way out of lockdown sooner than waiting for mother nature to run her course alongside many more deaths and more grief and sadness.

Sadly Dr Mort has not been forthcoming

Shame, I wanted to ask him about a Morton's Neuroma.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 23 Feb 21 12.11am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Sadly Dr Mort has not been forthcoming

Shame, I wanted to ask him about a Morton's Neuroma.

I was hoping he would share some anecdotes from his time on Rick & (Dr) Morty.

Thankfully as the days roll by the science on the impact of these vaccines on health, and indeed transmission, becomes irrefutable. He'll move onto some other facet of the issue, which is what people tend to do when they're wrong about something.

We should be tremendously relieved at how the roll out is going. Of course mutations are a big unknown. Whether existing vaccines are successful enough to mean they're behind the curve of the inevitable yearly booster. No-one has a crystal ball though, and most offered it are sensible enough to get vaccinated, which is heartening.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Feb 2021 12.12am)

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 23 Feb 21 1.35am Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Darwin 101. Adapt to survive (evolve).

Knut 101. Hold back the tide* (virus).

We will have to adapt or die, medicine can save us for a while, but nature will prevail. Mankind survived far worse "plagues". The natural world will always exist. We will not. Unless we adapt to the changes. As the dinosaurs don't exist now because they didn't/couldn't adapt, so we will cease to exist if we don't adapt. To believe otherwise is arrogance. This planet is a complete insignificance to the universe, yet the "higher" intelligence of the planet think they can change the course of anything.

So. Lets lock down. Do nothing. Let old people do nothing until they die. Nobody do anything. A species killing itself. All for what? A vaccine every year. Until the next virus. C-19 + Flu already, plus... what? Another variant? Another virus different? Lock down some more?

How about some life? We don't have long, so why lock us ALL down! Almost a year of lost life for EVERYBODY. Not the vulnerable, or elderly, who make up a small portion of the population, EVERYONE. For each life saved, years of life have been wasted for "locked down" people. Mainly the future of the race.

You advocates of these laws have a lot to answer for. This is how civilizations fall.

*Knut was demonstrating that he could hold back the tide no better than God by the way.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (23 Feb 2021 1.37am)

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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BlueJay Flag UK 23 Feb 21 2.41am

Quote This planet is a complete insignificance to the universe

If it's insignificant, then whatever decisions are made are an irrelevance.

Old people keeping a low profile, it would seem, was a rather good decision. We may want to ask those who now have a significant amount of protection, I'm sure they'll agree. And at least they are alive to be asked in the first place.

This 'when you've gotta go, you've gotta go' stuff is always on someone elses behalf.


Quote Do nothing. Let old people do nothing until they die. Nobody do anything. A species killing itself. All for what? A vaccine every year. Until the next virus. C-19 + Flu already, plus... what? Another variant? Another virus different? Lock down some more?

If you can stop your Y fronts blasting off in panic for a couple more months, it appears likely that we'll gradually be opening back up. I wasn't exactly craving being locked down right now either, but it is what it is.

The vaccine is so far a resounding success. We should celebrate that. The yearly flu jab saves countless lives every year, as will the covid jab, even in a worst case scenario where mutations may spread in between. Having a couple of jabs a year really isn't something to get up in arms about, I've had more than that prior to a trip abroad. Thoughts that we may end up being injected like some kind of perpetual pin cushion don't really have any basis in reality.

It's not been a wonderful year - it hasn't for me workwise - but my thoughts are predominantly with those who have died, and celebrating the science behind those who now have more than a fighting chance. We're in decent shape and we go forward them here.

From the ultra negative tone some perpetually strike you'd be half forgiven for imagining that they're primed on the edge of their seat waiting for some kind of horrendous turn of events so that they can say "told you so". As I say, I prefer to place my hope in science, and the sacrifice already made by so many. We're on the path we're on; let's make the best of it.

Edited by BlueJay (23 Feb 2021 6.53am)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 21 9.22am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

What matters is what is true or to be more precise what matters is which attitude or prediction turns out to be more accurate.

Often it comes down to an individual's priorities and from that judgement on probabilities and risk management. An objective interpretation of statistics, and their gathering....and how things are reported is also obviously important.

Whether something is negative or positive has zero bearing. They are sides of the same coin after all.

A desire to portray events positively may be kinder or nicer however if it turns out to be inaccurate it can be delusionary and ultimately damaging.

When you are dealing with people who place reason above impression this won't be an issue.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2021 9.35am)

 


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As I understand it, we suffer abut 14,000 deaths from the flu each year. What are the figures this year? Have the numbers been wrapped up in the Covid stats? I really have no idea/

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Feb 21 9.41am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Darwin 101. Adapt to survive (evolve).

Knut 101. Hold back the tide* (virus).

We will have to adapt or die, medicine can save us for a while, but nature will prevail. Mankind survived far worse "plagues". The natural world will always exist. We will not. Unless we adapt to the changes. As the dinosaurs don't exist now because they didn't/couldn't adapt, so we will cease to exist if we don't adapt. To believe otherwise is arrogance. This planet is a complete insignificance to the universe, yet the "higher" intelligence of the planet think they can change the course of anything.

So. Lets lock down. Do nothing. Let old people do nothing until they die. Nobody do anything. A species killing itself. All for what? A vaccine every year. Until the next virus. C-19 + Flu already, plus... what? Another variant? Another virus different? Lock down some more?

How about some life? We don't have long, so why lock us ALL down! Almost a year of lost life for EVERYBODY. Not the vulnerable, or elderly, who make up a small portion of the population, EVERYONE. For each life saved, years of life have been wasted for "locked down" people. Mainly the future of the race.

You advocates of these laws have a lot to answer for. This is how civilizations fall.

*Knut was demonstrating that he could hold back the tide no better than God by the way.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (23 Feb 2021 1.37am)

The inane ramblings of a madman

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 23 Feb 21 9.44am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by since1953

As I understand it, we suffer abut 14,000 deaths from the flu each year. What are the figures this year? Have the numbers been wrapped up in the Covid stats? I really have no idea/

Broadly

'The number of Covid-19 deaths in the eight months to 31 August is higher than the annual total of flu and pneumonia deaths in any year since 2000, the year during which a widespread flu vaccination was introduced in the UK.'

I read somewhere flu cases have dropped to historically low levels due to lockdowns, distancing increased hygiene awareness etc. Less transmissible than COVID so makes sense.

And yes, they're not all lumped in together

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Feb 21 10.07am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Broadly

'The number of Covid-19 deaths in the eight months to 31 August is higher than the annual total of flu and pneumonia deaths in any year since 2000, the year during which a widespread flu vaccination was introduced in the UK.'

I read somewhere flu cases have dropped to historically low levels due to lockdowns, distancing increased hygiene awareness etc. Less transmissible than COVID so makes sense.

And yes, they're not all lumped in together


While greater social distancing would account for some of a decline I think it's unrealistic to dismiss what has probably had a significant effect.

In the cases where someone has had both the flu and covid....the cause of death has been attributed to covid.

The 'with' has become the 'of' and that also plays into the figures.

 


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