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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 17 Jan 21 3.24pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, we’ll need to be regularly immunised in all likelihood, like with annual flu jabs

Your second point is simply classic of your approach to everything. Get a life will you.

I have a lovely life thank you and it’s not currently in the UK. You are as Stirling wisely noted starting to get a tad tetchy.

 

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View Lombardinho's Profile Lombardinho Flag London 17 Jan 21 10.38pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

I haven't been on this thread before, but here's a sobering piece I found today....

David Martin from January 5, 2021 Focus on Fauci event

" Let’s make sure we are clear… This is not a vaccine. They are using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions. This is not a vaccine."

"This is mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term under public health law; they are a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards.[1] And the vaccine specifically has to stimulate both the immunity within the person receiving it and it also has to disrupt transmission.

And that is not what this is. They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities because then people would say, “What other treatments are there?”

The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition and also it is actually the sucker punch to open and free discourse… Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARSCOV2. If we said we are going to give people prophylactic chemotherapy for the cancer they don’t yet have, we’d be laughed out of the room because it’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is. This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written. And if we were honest with this, we would actually call it what it is: it is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell. It is a medical device, not a drug because it meets the CDRH definition of a device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system, it is a physical technology - it happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. Because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we are going to get into a vaccine conversation but this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition just like we will not fall for their industrial chemical definition of health. Both of them are functionally flawed and are an implicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited. I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers say, “we are going to fight the vaccine”. If you stipulate it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.

80% of the people exposed to SARSCOV2 are asymptomatic carriers. 80% of people who get this injected into them experience a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.

When the paymaster for the distribution of information happens to be the industry that’s doing the distributing, we lose. Because the only narrative is the one that will be compensated by the people writing the check. That goes for our politicians… and our media - it has been paid for - if you follow the money you realize there is no non-conflicted voice on any network."

- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021,

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Jan 21 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

I haven't been on this thread before, but here's a sobering piece I found today....

David Martin from January 5, 2021 Focus on Fauci event

" Let’s make sure we are clear… This is not a vaccine. They are using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions. This is not a vaccine."

"This is mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term under public health law; they are a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards.[1] And the vaccine specifically has to stimulate both the immunity within the person receiving it and it also has to disrupt transmission.

And that is not what this is. They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities because then people would say, “What other treatments are there?”

The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition and also it is actually the sucker punch to open and free discourse… Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARSCOV2. If we said we are going to give people prophylactic chemotherapy for the cancer they don’t yet have, we’d be laughed out of the room because it’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is. This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written. And if we were honest with this, we would actually call it what it is: it is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell. It is a medical device, not a drug because it meets the CDRH definition of a device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system, it is a physical technology - it happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. Because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we are going to get into a vaccine conversation but this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition just like we will not fall for their industrial chemical definition of health. Both of them are functionally flawed and are an implicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited. I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers say, “we are going to fight the vaccine”. If you stipulate it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.

80% of the people exposed to SARSCOV2 are asymptomatic carriers. 80% of people who get this injected into them experience a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.

When the paymaster for the distribution of information happens to be the industry that’s doing the distributing, we lose. Because the only narrative is the one that will be compensated by the people writing the check. That goes for our politicians… and our media - it has been paid for - if you follow the money you realize there is no non-conflicted voice on any network."

- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021,

So?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 17 Jan 21 11.10pm

Originally posted by Lombardinho

They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment.

The first major mass follow-up two weeks post (Pfizer) vaccination in Israel did show a marked decrease in transmission. I would advise waiting another two or three weeks so that the covid incubation period isn't a factor. Then we will actually know for sure the degree to which transmission is stopped.

Quote This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

That reminds me I must watch Terminator 2 again.

Quote So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.

Fantastical, negligent anti vax nonsense by the author

Quote 80% of the people exposed to SARSCOV2 are asymptomatic carriers. 80% of people who get this injected into them experience a clinical adverse event.

The most reliable studies appear to suggest the 30% are asymptomatic, but whatever it is, this tends to be skewed to the young and the old can't necessarily afford to risk it. The adverse event comment is designed to make people believe that something terrible or significantly bad is going to happen to them if they get vaccinated that is 'worse' than the benefits of getting vaccinated. Though of course this article does not even admit that the vaccine can help people to begin with.

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You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.

"chemical substance to induce illness" " This is about getting you sick" Further crackers statements designed to scare people into not getting vaccinated. And very likely incorrect on the second statement too.


Far more people have likely died as result of reading and believing this kind of stuff than will ever die due to getting vaccinated. Thankfully the vast majority of people in the most at-risk groups are also the least likely to be online. Considering the impact social media and the like is having on people, that is very fortuitous.


Edited by BlueJay (17 Jan 2021 11.12pm)

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 17 Jan 21 11.48pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

I haven't been on this thread before, but here's a sobering piece I found today....

David Martin from January 5, 2021 Focus on Fauci event

" Let’s make sure we are clear… This is not a vaccine. They are using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions. This is not a vaccine."

"This is mRNA packaged in a fat envelope that is delivered to a cell. It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term under public health law; they are a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards.[1] And the vaccine specifically has to stimulate both the immunity within the person receiving it and it also has to disrupt transmission.

And that is not what this is. They (Moderna and Pfizer) have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell is not to stop the transmission, it is a treatment. But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of public health authorities because then people would say, “What other treatments are there?”

The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition and also it is actually the sucker punch to open and free discourse… Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARSCOV2. If we said we are going to give people prophylactic chemotherapy for the cancer they don’t yet have, we’d be laughed out of the room because it’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is. This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small package of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site.

And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written. And if we were honest with this, we would actually call it what it is: it is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemical pathogen production action within a cell. It is a medical device, not a drug because it meets the CDRH definition of a device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system, it is a physical technology - it happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

So, we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game. Because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we are going to get into a vaccine conversation but this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition just like we will not fall for their industrial chemical definition of health. Both of them are functionally flawed and are an implicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited. I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers say, “we are going to fight the vaccine”. If you stipulate it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It’s not a vaccine. It is made to make you sick.

80% of the people exposed to SARSCOV2 are asymptomatic carriers. 80% of people who get this injected into them experience a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.

When the paymaster for the distribution of information happens to be the industry that’s doing the distributing, we lose. Because the only narrative is the one that will be compensated by the people writing the check. That goes for our politicians… and our media - it has been paid for - if you follow the money you realize there is no non-conflicted voice on any network."

- Dr. David Martin, Jan 5th 2021,

Look, a lot of this is garbage, these things are not specifically designed to make you sick. That is, on current review, complete nonsense. In essence that’s like saying it’s poison - but in between the trash there are one or two fair thoughts made. I’ve always been less keen on the mRNA versions as there is potential for immune side effects. These can’t be claimed to be fully understood yet as no mRNA product has ever been distributed this widely before, unlike ‘traditionally’ assembled vaccines.

From, what you’d no doubt call ‘mainstream’ sources...

‘Unintended effects: the mRNA strand in the vaccine may elicit an unintended immune reaction. To minimise this the mRNA vaccine sequences are designed to mimic those produced by mammalian cells.’

mRNAs are set to become the most important medical technology of this century - they allegedly have the potential to effectively cure some types of cancer, MS, along with a whole host of other ailments. But, as fair as I’m aware, this will be the first time they’ve been used en masse. So those people that are aware of the science and are a little wary of mRNA - I can understand it.

Personally I’d rather have the Oxford vaccine as it’s based on the ‘traditional’ approach, but if push came to shove I’d get the mRNA version. Even with the views I have the probability of a negative effect is low enough for it to be illogical to refuse it vs the potential drawbacks of not taking it. I also feel there’s a social responsibility to try and reduce the spread and if something is going to do that, and on probability it makes sense, serious consideration should be given to taking it.

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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BlueJay Flag UK 18 Jan 21 1.23am

COVID-19: Vaccine to be offered to over-70s and clinically extremely vulnerable from this weekCOVID-19: Vaccine to be offered to over-70s and clinically extremely vulnerable from this week - [Link]

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Jan 21 8.13am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

COVID-19: Vaccine to be offered to over-70s and clinically extremely vulnerable from this weekCOVID-19: Vaccine to be offered to over-70s and clinically extremely vulnerable from this week - [Link]

Already happening I know a number of over 70's who have had it. Well done NHS keep cracking on.

 


One more point

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Jan 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

"chemical substance to induce illness" " This is about getting you sick" Further crackers statements designed to scare people into not getting vaccinated. And very likely incorrect on the second statement too.


Far more people have likely died as result of reading and believing this kind of stuff than will ever die due to getting vaccinated. Thankfully the vast majority of people in the most at-risk groups are also the least likely to be online. Considering the impact social media and the like is having on people, that is very fortuitous.


Edited by BlueJay (17 Jan 2021 11.12pm)

This is quoted out of context

David Martin is a Brit but is based in the US

I think his point probably was that you can't trust Moderna and Pfizer to be in charge of communications.

We don't, in the UK we are in charge

Of course, if you do want a 'vaccine' you can always use the Indian one. I can't see any difference myself to the use and effect.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jan 21 10.17am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

I was told yesterday that the Pfizer vaccine contain penicillin. I am allergic to penicillin.

I hope those administering the vaccine make thorough checks for allergies and actually know precisely what is in the syringe.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Jan 21 10.26am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was told yesterday that the Pfizer vaccine contain penicillin. I am allergic to penicillin.

I hope those administering the vaccine make thorough checks for allergies and actually know precisely what is in the syringe.

Who told you that

Of course it doesn’t.

Please read the science or just the contents list rather than passing on this nonsense.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 18 Jan 21 10.29am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I was told yesterday that the Pfizer vaccine contain penicillin. I am allergic to penicillin.

I hope those administering the vaccine make thorough checks for allergies and actually know precisely what is in the syringe.

According to several sites, including SPS NHS (https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/advising-individuals-with-allergies-on-their-suitability-for-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/) and Anaphylaxis UK, the Pfizer vaccine does not contain Penicillin. So not sure who told you that, as it appears they're incorrect.

List of ingredients according to the FDA website...

• mRNA
• lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
• 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol)
• potassium chloride
• monobasic potassium phosphate
• sodium chloride
• dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
• nanobots
• billy gates microchips
• sucrose

[Link]

However, the advice still seems to be that if you have a history of severe anaphylactic reactions to vaccines, medicines or food then the Pfizer vaccine is not advised.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Jan 2021 10.31am)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jan 21 10.35am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Who told you that

Of course it doesn’t.

Please read the science or just the contents list rather than passing on this nonsense.

I had my doubts as It made no sense, but since penicillin might kill me, I would have to be sure.

 

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