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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 18 Mar 21 7.36am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Every care home resident will be able to nominate a single named visitor who will be able to enter the care home for regular visits. These visitors should be tested using rapid lateral flow tests before every visit, must wear the appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) and follow all other infection control measures (which the care home will guide them on) during visits. Visitors and residents are advised to keep physical contact to a minimum. Visitors and residents may wish to hold hands, but should bear in mind that any contact increases the risk of transmission. There should not be close physical contact such as hugging

Care homes can continue to offer visits to other friends or family members with arrangements such as outdoor visiting, substantial screens, visiting pods, or behind windows

In our case we are trying to keep all visitors to our outside pods rather than letting them inside.They can hold hands around the sides of uPVC screens provided the visitor wears gloves.

Many thanks

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Mar 21 8.14am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Oh? The AZ vaccine they refuse to endorse?

But they will stop the UK from having it?

How civil.

No. The ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine. Which has almost identical rates of blood clotting post vaccination (below the normal background rate of clotting by the way) yet has not been halted.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 18 Mar 21 8.33am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

No. The ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine. Which has almost identical rates of blood clotting post vaccination (below the normal background rate of clotting by the way) yet has not been halted.

The Pill has a high rate of blood clotting, just saying.

The EU is in a hole but they keep digging, every time that woman opens her mouth she insults or threatens this country.

Remainers are no doubt embarrassed by the current crop of EU politicians. Maybe they should re-work their Brexit placards

"But we supported you how can you do this to us"

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Mar 21 4.05pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I don't have any problem with the UK taking until July.

And the EU should meet their July target comfortably.

I don't share the general hysteria about vaccines in any case.

There seems to be more scepticism among EU citizens generally, and Merkel is not rushing for her jab.

Feeling very cautious, grandstanding about vaccine success makes me more so.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 18 Mar 21 6.47pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

The Pill has a high rate of blood clotting, just saying.

The EU is in a hole but they keep digging, every time that woman opens her mouth she insults or threatens this country.

Remainers are no doubt embarrassed by the current crop of EU politicians. Maybe they should re-work their Brexit placards

"But we supported you how can you do this to us"

They're just being overcautious, with a twist of politicising for good measure

Probably saw this as a great opportunity to smokescreen their cock up in getting supply into the EU – gives them an out

'Oh, we've got less about because we're halting it all due to possible side effects'

All complete nonsense. It's a classic case of oversensitivity leading to classification of a (lower than) normal occurrence as a causal link, when it's not.

The expected stats on DVT, for example, are 1 in every 1000. So out of 17 million people you'd expect 17,000 to develop DVT within a 12 month period.

To quote a stat prof

“So that means that there will have been – and you can pretty well guarantee it – 350 people who have had an AstraZeneca jab then had a deep vein thrombosis in the week following that.

“I think what’s surprising is that only 15 have been reported as a possible adverse effect.”

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 19 Mar 21 12.13pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

They're just being overcautious, with a twist of politicising for good measure

Probably saw this as a great opportunity to smokescreen their cock up in getting supply into the EU – gives them an out

'Oh, we've got less about because we're halting it all due to possible side effects'

All complete nonsense. It's a classic case of oversensitivity leading to classification of a (lower than) normal occurrence as a causal link, when it's not.

The expected stats on DVT, for example, are 1 in every 1000. So out of 17 million people you'd expect 17,000 to develop DVT within a 12 month period.

To quote a stat prof

“So that means that there will have been – and you can pretty well guarantee it – 350 people who have had an AstraZeneca jab then had a deep vein thrombosis in the week following that.

“I think what’s surprising is that only 15 have been reported as a possible adverse effect.”

But that makes zero sense. Absolutely ZERO.

The only logical basis for suspending the vaccine is where the deaths it causes exeeds the number that would arise by NOT rolling out the vaccine.


You're in a desert. You have a water bottle.

Say there's a 0.001% chance each sip of water will kill you.

There's a 90% chance the thirst will kill you if you don't sip it at all, while you're walking to that Oasis.

I've stacked the odds deliberately here (covid does not kill 90%), but the underlying logic is there. You keep sipping that water until you get to the oasis ("open, pour, be yourself once more").

This is where the "precautionary principle" utterly utterly fails: by not considering the implications of suspension, and the deaths that causes.

But hey-ho. Anything to make a political point. Brexit vaccine bad.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Mar 21 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

The only logical basis for suspending the vaccine is where the deaths it causes exeeds the number that would arise by NOT rolling out the vaccine.

Mmmm...that's not how vaccines are normally approved, normally safety requirements are high....still, nothing has been normal since this started.

I could accept that amongst the vulnerable population your argument would get stronger dependent upon statistics, however amongst the young, fit and healthy not so much.

Like it's been said, I think that what's happening has political elements. That said, we don't really know the real picture yet because the topic has lots of competing agendas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2021 12.38pm)

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Mar 21 5.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Lots of the EU seeing a 3rd wave of C19.
Lockdowns happening. The UK with the foresight and spending may be in a great position to avoid one.
Lucky we didn't join the eu vaccine rollout club.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Mar 21 5.57pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmm...that's not how vaccines are normally approved, normally safety requirements are high....still, nothing has been normal since this started.

I could accept that amongst the vulnerable population your argument would get stronger dependent upon statistics, however amongst the young, fit and healthy not so much.

Like it's been said, I think that what's happening has political elements. That said, we don't really know the real picture yet because the topic has lots of competing agendas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2021 12.38pm)

The French Chief Medical Officer made a statement that doubts about the AZ vaccine were purely political. Which I thought was pretty decent. This forced the EU medical agency to admit there was no dangers associated with the AZ vaccine - over risks a person not having the vaccine getting blood clots. There have been lower numbers of adverse reactions than the companies even expected. They expected around 1 in a 1000 to have problems, and it's been more like one in 10,000 and even much less than that.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Mar 21 6.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Lots of the EU seeing a 3rd wave of C19.
Lockdowns happening. The UK with the foresight and spending may be in a great position to avoid one.
Lucky we didn't join the eu vaccine rollout club.

It has to be said that while I don't put total faith in the accuracy of statistics in this area the disparity between the UK and most of Europe on acquiring and distributing vaccine is stark.

The rapid and efficient vaccination of the UK's most vulnerable seems to have had a dramatic effect upon the number of cases.

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

The French Chief Medical Officer made a statement that doubts about the AZ vaccine were purely political. Which I thought was pretty decent. This forced the EU medical agency to admit there was no dangers associated with the AZ vaccine - over risks a person not having the vaccine getting blood clots. There have been lower numbers of adverse reactions than the companies even expected. They expected around 1 in a 1000 to have problems, and it's been more like one in 10,000 and even much less than that.

I suspect that recent events have a touch of the political about them.

Any talk about vaccine safety is always a touchy subject and besides is kind of irrelevant without extensive data over much longer than a few months.

 


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View Runningman's Profile Runningman Flag Keston 19 Mar 21 6.27pm Send a Private Message to Runningman Add Runningman as a friend

I hope we don’t open travel corridors to/from the EU for holiday purposes.
Fine, a lot of our vulnerable folk will have been vaccinated, but local populace and other holiday makers won’t have been.

Why risk re-importing the virus (including new strains) until Europe embraces the need to vaccinate to beat the virus.

 

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