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BlueJay Flag UK 14 May 21 1.57am

Originally posted by W12

For those that want the actual MHRA/Yellow Card numbers in a format that's easily searched:

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Please bear in mind that by the governments own admission the Yellow Card system probably represents less than 10% of the actual adverse reactions in reality (less than that for more minor reactions).

Given the numbers can someone please explain to me why anyone would get a vaccine unless they are at extremely high risk which is far less than 1% of the population?


Clown world rolls on.


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"Covid vaccines have saved 11,700 lives and 33,000 hospital admissions"

Even if that isn't entirely accurate, your thinking is skewed pretty drastically if you think the vaccine rollout has been a disaster that 99% of people should have avoided.

Please illuminate us as to how many of these dead people, or indeed the 125k+ dead total should or shouldn't have been vaccinated? Or is it all simply 'media lies'?

I realise that totally towing the mainstream line on anything and everything across the board is bulls***. Understand though if you will that buying into what any basement boy organisation is peddling on the other end of that spectrum suffers from the very same reliability problem, in fact likely worse. There is a sane middleground but largely dismissing vaccines that appear to be very effective in a life and death sense with 125,000+ already dead (who you do doubt believe just died of 'something else') might not be 'the move' to make.

Anyone 50+ with health issues, or mid 60s+ without who thinks they 'know better' and avoids getting vaccinated is simply at this point just some kind of 'I know best' fool who is to an extent a self interested danger to themself and others.

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 May 21 5.45am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


You mentioned my name so I appear and no that is not another account I have.

From the previous posts I have done why would I use another account I would just say it as it is from my only account which is this one.

I have read through what has been posted by that user and even I find it strange some of what they have come out with (some of it has valid points but very small amount) for someone who has a Thai flag it is odd why they are so engaged in moaning about UK.

If he or she really was Thai they need to focus on Thai govt they are a disgrace.

Please accept my apologies

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 May 21 5.50am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Have my 2nd jab tomorrow

 

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 14 May 21 5.54am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

2nd jab done!
For those that don't believe in it then Bolton is the proof - rising cases in the least vaccinated area!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 14 May 21 7.14am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

2nd jab done!
For those that don't believe in it then Bolton is the proof - rising cases in the least vaccinated area!

Exactly although I hear that the local NHS are doing their best to get people vaccinated with pop up vaccination sites. Still if people wont get it and they don't have a medical reason it's on them we should continue to unlock.

 


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Originally posted by The Dolphin

2nd jab done!
For those that don't believe in it then Bolton is the proof - rising cases in the least vaccinated area!


Doesn't prove anything not a controlled environment so many factors come into play.

 


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I still run with the idea that unless there is a medical reason for someone not having the vaccine then they should definitely have it.
If not then they should not be allowed to do certain things be that flying, restaurants, pubs and the like.
Hungary have told all of their U21's (I think that was the limit) that they won't be going to pubs, clubs etc without a vaccine and suddenly the vaccine request rate has shot up.

 

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Originally posted by The Dolphin

I still run with the idea that unless there is a medical reason for someone not having the vaccine then they should definitely have it.
If not then they should not be allowed to do certain things be that flying, restaurants, pubs and the like.
Hungary have told all of their U21's (I think that was the limit) that they won't be going to pubs, clubs etc without a vaccine and suddenly the vaccine request rate has shot up.


Here is a big reason 99% do not need it their own immune systems can fight this the real figures do not lie.

So you think it is acceptable to put people into groups and tell them what they can and can't do because they made a choice about their own health.

Why is it the people that have had the vaccine go after the non if you have had it what does it matter about the other people. (you have all fallen for this it was about turning people on each other the plan has worked)

Still no 100% evidence that a vaccinated person can not spread.

How about I do this for other types of people the science data shows obese people are mass spreaders so lets create a group for them as well.

I would like to point out what you are suggesting is a break of many acts human rights and discrimination are just a few you cant do this so Hungry can state all they want it's all scare tactics and trying to enforce things they have no legal standing on.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 14 May 21 8.27pm

Originally posted by grumpymort


Here is a big reason 99% do not need it their own immune systems can fight this the real figures do not lie.

So you think it is acceptable to put people into groups and tell them what they can and can't do because they made a choice about their own health.

Why is it the people that have had the vaccine go after the non if you have had it what does it matter about the other people. (you have all fallen for this it was about turning people on each other the plan has worked)


He's not said that people should be forced to have it, just that if you can't be bothered then it's logical for health reasons that there are consequences. That has always been the case anyway. Several countries already require you to display a Yellow Fever certificate before entry for instance. You're not walking around in a bubble. Choices you make for your health can and will impact others.

This idea that 99% people do not need to be vaccinated is absurd, so I have no idea why it keeps getting stated. In fact it implies that vast numbers of those who actually died of covid 'didn't need to get vaccinated', when clearly they would have benefited from doing so had it been an option at the time.

 

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Originally posted by grumpymort


Here is a big reason 99% do not need it their own immune systems can fight this the real figures do not lie.

So you think it is acceptable to put people into groups and tell them what they can and can't do because they made a choice about their own health.

Why is it the people that have had the vaccine go after the non if you have had it what does it matter about the other people. (you have all fallen for this it was about turning people on each other the plan has worked)

Still no 100% evidence that a vaccinated person can not spread.

How about I do this for other types of people the science data shows obese people are mass spreaders so lets create a group for them as well.

I would like to point out what you are suggesting is a break of many acts human rights and discrimination are just a few you cant do this so Hungry can state all they want it's all scare tactics and trying to enforce things they have no legal standing on.

What if in 3 months this proves to be a success in getting c19 virtually eliminated in hungry.
Is it just luck?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 14 May 21 8.53pm

Originally posted by cryrst

What if in 3 months this proves to be a success in getting c19 virtually eliminated in hungry.
Is it just luck?

Exactly. The 'do nothing' (or close to it) brigade, might want to take a look a India and the likes to see where that gets people. At least people here are now about as prepared as is possible. You can just tell that some want it all to go to sh!t when we open up and for the vaccine to fail just so they can go into 'told you so' mode. Well personally I hope people have enough protection to make the difference between life and death for the most part and that life can get back to a semblance of normality at the same time. They somewhat go hand in hand.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

He's not said that people should be forced to have it, just that if you can't be bothered then it's logical for health reasons that there are consequences. That has always been the case anyway. Several countries already require you to display a Yellow Fever certificate before entry for instance. You're not walking around in a bubble. Choices you make for your health can and will impact others.

This idea that 99% people do not need to be vaccinated is absurd, so I have no idea why it keeps getting stated. In fact it implies that vast numbers of those who actually died of covid 'didn't need to get vaccinated', when clearly they would have benefited from doing so had it been an option at the time.


If you push through as he stated you are forcing people take away their rights unless you have vaccine.

Logical how so again its been proven 99% off people can fight this naturally and you are trying to twist that the people that died would of at some point anyway they was unhealthy with the odd case of a person who may or may not of been this even happens with people that take the vaccine.

I never said unhealthy or vulnerable people shouldn't have it but this is a low %.

Ok so its about others right? so again if they are vaccinated because of already stated what does it matter what others do.

You people keep coming out with the same old recycled rubbish.

That yellow fever cert is meaningless regarding covid-19 and you can't put in place covid-19 restrictions because some one chooses to not have a vaccine EU has very strict rules.

Originally posted by BlueJay

Exactly. The 'do nothing' (or close to it) brigade, might want to take a look a India and the likes to see where that gets people. At least people here are now about as prepared as is possible. You can just tell that some want it all to go to sh!t when we open up and for the vaccine to fail just so they can go into 'told you so' mode. Well personally I hope people have enough protection to make the difference between life and death for the most part and that life can get back to a semblance of normality at the same time. They somewhat go hand in hand.


You people are just so brain dead you think a shot will solve all the problems countries like India are a mess for many reasons it's not just because of a virus.

Why do people need to inject something into them they dont need that makes no sense and if it's all about health well how about people sort out their lifestyles/diets so they are not so unhealthy they cant fight of infections etc.

 


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