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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 07 Jan 21 2.47pm |
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I did Higher Education Science in the late 1990's, so my knowledge may be outdated. So we have a few contenders: * Creationism - God created life Anyone have any thoughts ?
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Jan 21 3.09pm |
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I watched a couple of programmes on panspermia recently. There was almost evidence.
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Stirlingsays  07 Jan 21 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I did Higher Education Science in the late 1990's, so my knowledge may be outdated. So we have a few contenders: * Creationism - God created life Anyone have any thoughts ? My current position is that the 'universe' is a large wave function comprising of almost countless smaller wave functions enabling multiple other universes within smaller and/or larger dimensions. Everything appears mathematical on some level and some form of computation may operate it. Life is just an emergent property of order that can exist within it So in other words I haven't a scooby.
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mr. apollo  Somewhere in Switzerland 07 Jan 21 3.43pm |
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The Universe is big,....you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemists, but to the Universe this is just peanuts.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jan 21 3.52pm |
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Originally posted by mr. apollo
The Universe is big,....you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemists, but to the Universe this is just peanuts. Not if you're an entangled particle. It's certainly not what it seems.
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| acolcpfc Littlehampton, West Sussex 07 Jan 21 4.29pm |
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Great question and I think the biggest of life’s big questions. I believe God created the universe. A few reasons I think this: 1) I personally find it harder to believe ‘everything’ ie the universe and all matter, came from nothing rather than by something. Why is there something rather than nothing? 2) Where do the laws of physics come from? Why is it we have these precise ones rather than some other set? How did these laws take featureless and non living gases and rocks to life, consciousness and intelligence? 3) The systems and f the universe and the human body and how they all work together. I can’t see how blind forces can accomplish the complexity of these. 4) Excuse the science and the big numbers behind this one and I did copy and paste the numbers below. The fine tuning of the universe in order for life to exist is so precise it literally is beyond comprehension. A few examples are the following, and to give you an example how big these numbers are, 10^123 is followed by 123 zeros, and then followed by another 123 zeros. This number is so big it couldn’t be written on paper as there would not be enough atoms to write them on. If any of these were outside of these parameters, life would not exist. Gravitational constant: 1 part in 10^34 5) 6) DNA is information and gives directions. What do we know on earth that gives directions and information that doesn’t come from intelligence? As a cumulative case, I find these convincing to me.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jan 21 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by acolcpfc
As a cumulative case, I find these convincing to me. Mother-in-laws.
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| ex hibitionist Hastings 07 Jan 21 4.44pm |
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your Brian Cox's and Stephen Hawkings (and Stirlingsays's) are on one side of the spectrum (materialist reductionism), I also like to look at the other side via Rupert Sheldrake, agnostic vitalist cellular biologist, who says it's all miracle - and neither side have a scooby doo, and nor does anyone in the middle, good to speculate though
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| acolcpfc Littlehampton, West Sussex 07 Jan 21 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mother-in-laws. Very true haha Edited by acolcpfc (07 Jan 2021 5.02pm)
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 07 Jan 21 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by acolcpfc
Great question and I think the biggest of life’s big questions. I believe God created the universe. A few reasons I think this: 1) I personally find it harder to believe ‘everything’ ie the universe and all matter, came from nothing rather than by something. Why is there something rather than nothing? 2) Where do the laws of physics come from? Why is it we have these precise ones rather than some other set? How did these laws take featureless and non living gases and rocks to life, consciousness and intelligence? 3) The systems and f the universe and the human body and how they all work together. I can’t see how blind forces can accomplish the complexity of these. 4) Excuse the science and the big numbers behind this one and I did copy and paste the numbers below. The fine tuning of the universe in order for life to exist is so precise it literally is beyond comprehension. A few examples are the following, and to give you an example how big these numbers are, 10^123 is followed by 123 zeros, and then followed by another 123 zeros. This number is so big it couldn’t be written on paper as there would not be enough atoms to write them on. If any of these were outside of these parameters, life would not exist. Gravitational constant: 1 part in 10^34 5) 6) DNA is information and gives directions. What do we know on earth that gives directions and information that doesn’t come from intelligence? As a cumulative case, I find these convincing to me. Mate you are really clever! After me, you are probably the smartest guy in here
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 07 Jan 21 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
your Brian Cox's and Stephen Hawkings (and Stirlingsays's) are on one side of the spectrum (materialist reductionism), I also like to look at the other side via Rupert Sheldrake, agnostic vitalist cellular biologist, who says it's all miracle - and neither side have a scooby doo, and nor does anyone in the middle, good to speculate though And that's all we can do. And yet my theory of God ejaculating on tampons cannot be dis-proved. In Science you cannot prove a theory, you can only dis-prove one.
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The more information we gain, the more questions are raised.BlueJay  UK 07 Jan 21 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I'd say this is the most likely, though I might not have worded it quite that way
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