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BlueJay Flag UK 24 Jan 21 2.23pm

Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link]

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 2.36pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Looks like they half arsed parts of this deal. That certainly didn't have to be the case and lots of this stuff should've been ironed out previously, it's not like there wasn't time. [Link]

Personally, I see this as the EU not living up to their side of the deal. I saw the text of the deal said that the UK was to have a free trade deal. Tariff free, duty free but could be customs checked to ensure compliance. Then, living in the EU as I am, I find UK goods are now marked up with duties or some silly fees. Apparently the excuse is that if a good is not British then its point of origin needs to be checked.
Firstly, why would this not be the case in all EU countries? If something is Chinese, it's Chinese, not European.
Secondly, goods are not tariff and duty free if costs are being added on. Therefore, completely against the spirit of any deal.
If I were the British government I would immediately cut all access to fishing waters and add equivalent costs to all EU products. I wouldn't hesitate to do this. This is totally against the spirit of the deal that was done. And this would be seen as the EU breaking International law, if anyone had the balls to say it

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 24 Jan 21 3.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me.


If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

Young wissie I reckon

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 24 Jan 21 3.32pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Personally, I see this as the EU not living up to their side of the deal. I saw the text of the deal said that the UK was to have a free trade deal. Tariff free, duty free but could be customs checked to ensure compliance. Then, living in the EU as I am, I find UK goods are now marked up with duties or some silly fees. Apparently the excuse is that if a good is not British then its point of origin needs to be checked.
Firstly, why would this not be the case in all EU countries? If something is Chinese, it's Chinese, not European.
Secondly, goods are not tariff and duty free if costs are being added on. Therefore, completely against the spirit of any deal.
If I were the British government I would immediately cut all access to fishing waters and add equivalent costs to all EU products. I wouldn't hesitate to do this. This is totally against the spirit of the deal that was done. And this would be seen as the EU breaking International law, if anyone had the balls to say it

You may well have a good point there, that there is intention to throw a spanner in the works, partially to dissuade other countries from seeing leaving as a success. I saw no problem with keeping these aspects of trade precisely as they were.

I did find this explanation which is essentially exactly in line with what you've said:

Quote The UK-EU free trade deal agreed before Xmas 2020 allows customs free trade but only if the goods originate in the UK or EU.

This is complicated. Literally 100s of pages of rules. But if a UK seller imports goods from China then they clearly did not originate in the UK. The seller is now in an uncompetitive position if they try to sell in Holland or anywhere else in the EU.

Because the goods did not originate in the UK, so aren't covered by the trade deal, customs duty is added by the Holland government.

If OP had bought these goods in Holland (or anywhere else in the EU), he'd get them cheaper than the UK because there's no customs duties for him to pay – meaning UK sellers have basically had the whole of the EU marketplace denied them if they're selling goods from China. And China is responsible for pretty much everything – from the computer I'm typing this on, to the shoes I'm wearing, to the mug I'm drinking coffee out of.

What I've described above isn't going to "get sorted out" and fixed. This is the switching off the entire EU marketplace for UK sellers – unless they manufacture goods themselves using materials originated also in the UK or EU.

So like you say, either it's not living up to the spirit of the agreement, or a lax approach to actually knowing what we've agreed to in the first place. It certainly would appear to put our businesses at an unfair disadvantage so it would be good if actin was taken or at least the situation acknowledged by government.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Jan 21 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Young wissie I reckon

TBF Wissie is never aggressive, misguided perhaps. Interesting that he has not chosen to comment on the contents of that post, given that he believes that the right, Brexit supporting posters are the aggressive ones on here. Perhaps he agrees with the sentiments, we may never know

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Jan 21 3.51pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have to admire the conviction, if not perhaps the direction of it..

Or perhaps, in these lockdown days, he could at least share with us, what he had been drinking

 

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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 24 Jan 21 4.00pm Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Or perhaps, in these lockdown days, he could at least share with us, what he had been drinking

One feels sure that there must have been one or two Babychams involved pre rant.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jan 21 4.07pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

So like you say, either it's not living up to the spirit of the agreement, or a lax approach to actually knowing what we've agreed to in the first place. It certainly would appear to put our businesses at an unfair disadvantage so it would be good if actin was taken or at least the situation acknowledged by government.

The whole thing stinks of entire EU wide corruption throughout its entire existence. Without getting into deep legalities - how can it be the case that I could have bought Chinese goods imported into an EU country and then sold on under the guise of EU goods and therefore considered free trade? No wonder China has been doing well. I don't think all the Europhiles wanted it to be awash with Chinese crap. This may have an adverse impact on the EU government when, for instance, French people, businesses and industries start considering what's happening. This is more significant than the EU may have realised.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Jan 21 4.37pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by CPFC1965

I wonder how long it will take for the i voted for Brexit voters to change their minds. Denying their culpability and start complaining.

We've left and the s*** is about to hit the fan big style .

When 200 fags and a litre of booze is all you can bring in just remember it was your xenophobic ideology that brought us here . To think that my children have been denied the freedom of travel and work within the EU because my fellow citizens are racist bigots hurts me.


If there was a way to buy a future for my children I would pay it gladly but if there were a loophole the racist pricks who got us to where we are would have got their first.

If you voted for Brexit do the rest of us a favour and kill yourselves you racist motherf***ers

Sorry chief, I'm a bit busy laughing at your post. Thing is. I voted for Brexit for my children's sake and my grandchildren's sake. I voted Brexit so the Britain they will inherit will still make its own laws and control its own borders. But hey, it's a real bummer that you can't buy more fags and booze.

Look on the bright side. You might live longer.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 24 Jan 21 4.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Or perhaps, in these lockdown days, he could at least share with us, what he had been drinking

Probably still sleeping it off.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 24 Jan 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

One of the reasons I was so much in favour of a no-deal was because it would have left the UK with no choice other than to fight tooth and nail to build a new trading identity with itself.

A deal with the EU will never be truly honoured by the EU. It simply cannot allow the UK to thrive. It views Brexit as a massive threat, on a variety of levels, to its very existence. And is quite right to do so.

The EU survives not because it is popular but because there is a widespread dislike of many of the national political institutions in individual nation states. Brussels is seen as the least worse option.

Italy is the best case in point here with its Government barely surviving as things stand and a right-wing coalition just waiting in the wings to take over. Throw in the French Presidential elections next year along with the pressure growing in the East from Hungary and Poland, neither of whom are willing to play ball, and you have an EU under all kinds of pressures at the moment.

It will pull every stunt it can to scupper the UK. Has no other choice. Hence why No-Deal was always the best long term option, even if only for the kind of mindset we need in Westminster for the UK to thrive.

The EU must be seen as a hostile entity and treating accordingly. There is zero goodwill from it.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

One of the reasons I was so much in favour of a no-deal was because it would have left the UK with no choice other than to fight tooth and nail to build a new trading identity with itself.

A deal with the EU will never be truly honoured by the EU. It simply cannot allow the UK to thrive. It views Brexit as a massive threat, on a variety of levels, to its very existence. And is quite right to do so.

The EU survives not because it is popular but because there is a widespread dislike of many of the national political institutions in individual nation states. Brussels is seen as the least worse option.

Italy is the best case in point here with its Government barely surviving as things stand and a right-wing coalition just waiting in the wings to take over. Throw in the French Presidential elections next year along with the pressure growing in the East from Hungary and Poland, neither of whom are willing to play ball, and you have an EU under all kinds of pressures at the moment.

It will pull every stunt it can to scupper the UK. Has no other choice. Hence why No-Deal was always the best long term option, even if only for the kind of mindset we need in Westminster for the UK to thrive.

The EU must be seen as a hostile entity and treating accordingly. There is zero goodwill from it.

This is true for sure. For the uk to get to where it needs to be ref trade etc it has to play the longish game. A bit of give the EU enough rope and it hangs itself. Alongside that is the knowledge to us of how dodgy they are. Only then will the acceptance from the majority be that we should go it alone. Interesting it has taken the EU 3 weeks to start showing their true colours. Must be desperate times across the channel

 

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