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Originally posted by georgenorman

Using the same link, if you scroll down, they give the ‘British English’ usage – you are quoting the US usage. As we live in Britain, one should use the British usage. I hope you can understand that as you say you have difficulty in understanding things.

You may well have been proud of the filibusterers, the electorate thought otherwise. It is utter, tedious nonsense for you to keep saying that Johnson’s landslide victory was because of what you laughingly call ‘Brexit weariness’ and is an insult to the electorate that you hold in so little regard.

Some MPs throughout parliamentary history have behaved dishonestly – it is disingenuous or naïve to say otherwise, but of course you are no stranger to disingenuousness when you pretend to not understand straightforward arguments.

Just look around the world at where coalitions are the norm and you will that very few work well. We should have as much transparency in parliament that is practicable and certainly we should know how our MPs have voted.

Edited by georgenorman (28 Feb 2023 8.44am)

Was following this debate for a while - in the British parliament it's Obstructionism - look up the 19th Century Obstructionists.

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

One referendum bad, two good.
There must be some of the current crop of politicians who are good and capable but it's not too clear who they are. Probably our fault for voting for such no-hopers and MPs should decide on their own replacements. In secret of course.

Whilst I appreciate you are being sarcastic you are also, I suspect deliberately, missing the point.

Any referendum we hold should only ever be consultative. Cameron making a commitment was the mistake. We certainly need to try to attract the best into the job. How to do that is for another debate. Once done it will always be our job to choose them. That's our role.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 28 Feb 23 12.25pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst I appreciate you are being sarcastic you are also, I suspect deliberately, missing the point.

Any referendum we hold should only ever be consultative. Cameron making a commitment was the mistake. We certainly need to try to attract the best into the job. How to do that is for another debate. Once done it will always be our job to choose them. That's our role.

Maybe ironic rather than sarcastic.
The trouble we have is that we live in a time of identity politics when factors other than aptitude and ability are paramount.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 28 Feb 23 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Perhaps we should have a voting show, along the lines of "British politicians have talent".
We get an evening of political broadcasts and a panel of celebrity quizzers to ask relevant questions of the candidates.
Then the phone lines open, and you can vote by phone, text or sending a postcard to the postal address.
In the next show, the winning candidates and /Government is announced by Simon Cowell.
And when they perform badly, there's another show with a General Election every 4 weeks.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 28 Feb 23 12.42pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Perhaps we should have a voting show, along the lines of "British politicians have talent".
We get an evening of political broadcasts and a panel of celebrity quizzers to ask relevant questions of the candidates.
Then the phone lines open, and you can vote by phone, text or sending a postcard to the postal address.
In the next show, the winning candidates and /Government is announced by Simon Cowell.
And when they perform badly, there's another show with a General Election every 4 weeks.

Sounds good. Maybe add in a few weeks of Ant Middleton and co chasing them across Dartmoor to decide who qualifies.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What it actually says is "the process or an instance of obstructing legislation by means of long speeches and other delaying tactics". I don't think you will find any other dictionary that includes "other" tactics, and it's not what I, or I suspect too many others, understand by the term.

Despite your pedantic attitude you are wrong in any event. The MPs in question weren't delaying anything. They voted, just as every other MP voted. Just not the way the whips wanted them to. That's their right. What was disgusting was Johnson's bullying reaction, and the attempt to treat our elected representatives as sheep to be herded into his lobby. We need to free ourselves of such behaviour.

You obviously don't like the truth. Some staunch remainers I know voted Tory in 2019. Firstly, because of loyalty to their party and support for a local MP they admire. Secondly, because they too were tired of the delays. If you are going to get some pain best get it now, so you can start to recover quicker. Why more delay was their thinking. Thirdly, and most importantly, there was no alternative that they could possibly support that had any chance of success. They didn't support us leaving but were prepared to give it a chance.

Your interpretation of what happened is simplistic and simply wrong. It's a view I have heard many times, usually from UKIP types, and sits alongside their other irrational ideas. They seem to think everyone thinks like them. They don't.

I have re-read your earlier post and it remains incoherent. Regrettably, it's not the first that appears muddled and difficult to follow. Sorry if you think that is disingenuous, but it isn't.

Coalitions do work. Both are major parties are effectively coalitions, just undeclared ones in which the compromises and negotiations happen in secret rather than in the open. I would rather the electorate be able to judge a candidate on their true beliefs than ones they are required to defend. It's when we vote that we need transparency. After that our representatives must be free to do their jobs.

Attached is the entry on the Collins website. Verb: “to obstruct (legislation) with delaying tactics”, which is exactly what I meant.

It is pure fantasy to suggest that those opposed to Brexit would vote for the only party committed to implementing it.

Which specific post or portion of the post do you find ‘incomprehensible’ or ‘incoherent’? I should be pleased to enlighten you.

It is astonishing that you don’t think our MP’s voting patterns should be available to us. Mind you, we shouldn’t be too surprised as the EU Commission and Council, whom you revere so much, bar the public from most of their activities.

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Attached is the entry on the Collins website. Verb: “to obstruct (legislation) with delaying tactics”, which is exactly what I meant.

It is pure fantasy to suggest that those opposed to Brexit would vote for the only party committed to implementing it.

Which specific post or portion of the post do you find ‘incomprehensible’ or ‘incoherent’? I should be pleased to enlighten you.

It is astonishing that you don’t think our MP’s voting patterns should be available to us. Mind you, we shouldn’t be too surprised as the EU Commission and Council, whom you revere so much, bar the public from most of their activities.

I am talking about a filibuster, which is a noun, which wasn't used any more than any other kind of delaying tactics were. You are scrambling around to find one dictionary definition of a verb, when their definition of the noun is exactly as I suggest it should be. Why they define the verb that way is odd, as it makes no sense at all.

It's not fantasy at all. People vote for all kinds of reasons. Often making the least bad choice available. When Corbyn was one of those choices you can understand why some voted while holding their nose and crossing their fingers. You don't transform a 52:48 vote, after 4 years of mess and reconsideration into an 80 seat majority unless there is something seriously wrong with the opposition. There was, and it was an important factor.

I have no need for any enlightenment. I understand the words well enough. What is incomprehensible is that anyone can reach such conclusions, which are both illogical and bereft of facts. It's not worth trying to reason with such positions. It's like sowing seeds in a dessert.

The MPs voting patterns should be available to us! Collectively and not individually. I want our MP's totally free of influences and pressure until they offer themselves for re-election.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am talking about a filibuster, which is a noun, which wasn't used any more than any other kind of delaying tactics were. You are scrambling around to find one dictionary definition of a verb, when their definition of the noun is exactly as I suggest it should be. Why they define the verb that way is odd, as it makes no sense at all.

It's not fantasy at all. People vote for all kinds of reasons. Often making the least bad choice available. When Corbyn was one of those choices you can understand why some voted while holding their nose and crossing their fingers. You don't transform a 52:48 vote, after 4 years of mess and reconsideration into an 80 seat majority unless there is something seriously wrong with the opposition. There was, and it was an important factor.

I have no need for any enlightenment. I understand the words well enough. What is incomprehensible is that anyone can reach such conclusions, which are both illogical and bereft of facts. It's not worth trying to reason with such positions. It's like sowing seeds in a dessert.

The MPs voting patterns should be available to us! Collectively and not individually. I want our MP's totally free of influences and pressure until they offer themselves for re-election.

Because I don't like Americanisations:

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am talking about a filibuster, which is a noun, which wasn't used any more than any other kind of delaying tactics were. You are scrambling around to find one dictionary definition of a verb, when their definition of the noun is exactly as I suggest it should be. Why they define the verb that way is odd, as it makes no sense at all.

It's not fantasy at all. People vote for all kinds of reasons. Often making the least bad choice available. When Corbyn was one of those choices you can understand why some voted while holding their nose and crossing their fingers. You don't transform a 52:48 vote, after 4 years of mess and reconsideration into an 80 seat majority unless there is something seriously wrong with the opposition. There was, and it was an important factor.

I have no need for any enlightenment. I understand the words well enough. What is incomprehensible is that anyone can reach such conclusions, which are both illogical and bereft of facts. It's not worth trying to reason with such positions. It's like sowing seeds in a dessert.

The MPs voting patterns should be available to us! Collectively and not individually. I want our MP's totally free of influences and pressure until they offer themselves for re-election.

That analogy is a trifle odd

 


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Originally posted by mezzer

That analogy is a trifle odd

But it's in apple pie order.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 28 Feb 23 4.37pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Has this thread turned into 'Countdown' ?

 


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Sunak says being in single market and UK makes Northern Ireland 'world's most exciting economic zone'!

Well how times change, and of course Rishi and his mates have dedicated themselves to making sure we will not be in it.

 

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