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Matov 18 Feb 21 11.19am
Frost taking over from Gove in terms of dealing with the EU. Interesting turn over events. Makes sense. Also, a civil servant does not have one eye over his shoulder all the time either in terms of opinion polls and so on. Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

18 Feb 21 11.19am

Frost taking over from Gove in terms of dealing with the EU. Interesting turn over events. Makes sense. Also, a civil servant does not have one eye over his shoulder all the time either in terms of opinion polls and so on.

Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Feb 21 12.16pm
Originally posted by Matov Frost taking over from Gove in terms of dealing with the EU. Interesting turn over events. Makes sense. Also, a civil servant does not have one eye over his shoulder all the time either in terms of opinion polls and so on. Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future. It makes sense as was present in the negotiations if EU start to tell lies he can pull them over it. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 18 Feb 21 12.16pm

Originally posted by Matov

Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future.

It makes sense as was present in the negotiations if EU start to tell lies he can pull them over it.

One more point

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DanH Online SW2 18 Feb 21 12.54pm
Originally posted by Matov Frost taking over from Gove in terms of dealing with the EU. Interesting turn over events. Makes sense. Also, a civil servant does not have one eye over his shoulder all the time either in terms of opinion polls and so on. Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future. So this kind of unelected bureaucrat is OK is it?
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DanH Online

SW2 18 Feb 21 12.54pm

Originally posted by Matov

Could be a sign that HMG is gearing up to play hard-ball in the near future.

So this kind of unelected bureaucrat is OK is it?

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Feb 21 1.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I wager he's a bag holder until the next elections where Savini will take back his elected mantle. While I view some green energy as possible secondary technologies the idea that voters will turn to Green parties as the west starts to deal with its recessions over these next few years is fancible in the extreme. You don't worry about the hole in your roof when there is hunger in your belly. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2021 11.02am) Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate. On your point about secondary generation... you do realise that renewables are now responsible for between 40-50% of the UK energy mix. Already. And that is arguably without serious investment � at least to the levels of spamming billions on nuclear power plants. I very much see renewable energies becoming primary, with nuclear secondary. Battery farms linked to various sources (not just solar) will be used as reserves to fill in the gaps � surges, drops etc. Already happening in some countries to reduce the reliance on traditional forms of generation and try to eliminate the chance of blackouts. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 18 Feb 21 1.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I wager he's a bag holder until the next elections where Savini will take back his elected mantle.

While I view some green energy as possible secondary technologies the idea that voters will turn to Green parties as the west starts to deal with its recessions over these next few years is fancible in the extreme.

You don't worry about the hole in your roof when there is hunger in your belly.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2021 11.02am)

Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate.

On your point about secondary generation... you do realise that renewables are now responsible for between 40-50% of the UK energy mix. Already. And that is arguably without serious investment � at least to the levels of spamming billions on nuclear power plants.

I very much see renewable energies becoming primary, with nuclear secondary. Battery farms linked to various sources (not just solar) will be used as reserves to fill in the gaps � surges, drops etc. Already happening in some countries to reduce the reliance on traditional forms of generation and try to eliminate the chance of blackouts.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Stirlingsays 18 Feb 21 1.25pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate. On your point about secondary generation... you do realise that renewables are now responsible for between 40-50% of the UK energy mix. Already. And that is arguably without serious investment � at least to the levels of spamming billions on nuclear power plants. I very much see renewable energies becoming primary, with nuclear secondary. Battery farms linked to various sources (not just solar) will be used as reserves to fill in the gaps � surges, drops etc. Already happening in some countries to reduce the reliance on traditional forms of generation and try to eliminate the chance of blackouts. I'm really only talking about the grid....I see little to worry about in non essential energy markets....but when it comes to your lights and heating benefits Granny in the winter, I think governments have to be deeply conservative. I don't really know enough about energy policy to know whether a 40-50 breakdown like that is half way sensible though it sounds a bit risky to me. I think investing in modern safe nuclear options is by far the 'goto' decision....a no brainer. I think the decisions in allowing foreign investment is flawed and again, risky. Prices have to be kept low....and I don't have confidence that with the difficult times to come that this has been determined for good. I would have thought that wind, if properly implemented is possible in coastal areas....though its huge open scale makes it easy to attack during hostilities. As for solar....less said the better this far north, though I note that design efficiencies have been improving. But for me, these should be no more than back up technologies. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2021 1.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Feb 21 1.25pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate.

I'm really only talking about the grid....I see little to worry about in non essential energy markets....but when it comes to your lights and heating benefits Granny in the winter, I think governments have to be deeply conservative.

I don't really know enough about energy policy to know whether a 40-50 breakdown like that is half way sensible though it sounds a bit risky to me.

I think investing in modern safe nuclear options is by far the 'goto' decision....a no brainer. I think the decisions in allowing foreign investment is flawed and again, risky. Prices have to be kept low....and I don't have confidence that with the difficult times to come that this has been determined for good.

I would have thought that wind, if properly implemented is possible in coastal areas....though its huge open scale makes it easy to attack during hostilities.

As for solar....less said the better this far north, though I note that design efficiencies have been improving.

But for me, these should be no more than back up technologies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2021 1.27pm)

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BlueJay UK 18 Feb 21 1.25pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate. Pretty much. Both the curse and the blessing of small parties really that they can have significant indirect influence but are never in the seat of power. Just ask Nige.
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BlueJay

UK 18 Feb 21 1.25pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Pretty sure you're right about green parties. The big politicos will simply absorb their policies into their own agendas the more it becomes important to business and the electorate.

Pretty much. Both the curse and the blessing of small parties really that they can have significant indirect influence but are never in the seat of power. Just ask Nige.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Feb 21 1.41pm
We welcome his appointment, as he has given the EU so much already. Long may it continue...... Lord Junckers and Lady Van Leyden of Brussels. Viscount Benteke and Baron Batschuayi of Selhurst. Lord Tusk has taken the chiltern hundreds.
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Croydon 18 Feb 21 1.41pm

We welcome his appointment, as he has given the EU so much already.

Long may it continue......

Lord Junckers and Lady Van Leyden of Brussels.

Viscount Benteke and Baron Batschuayi of Selhurst.

Lord Tusk has taken the chiltern hundreds.

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Matov 18 Feb 21 6.45pm
Originally posted by DanH So this kind of unelected bureaucrat is OK is it? That's a valid point. I guess since the position is primarily one of negotiating then there is a logic to the appointment. And as I wrote earlier, with somebody leading the charge who does not have an eye on a political career. Perhaps offering a far more straight-forward eye on the ball approach especially when dealing with non-elected officials in the EU Commission. But it is not any kind of long term solution. Our future relationship with the EU is primarily political and as such, should be headed up by a politician who is answerable to the electorate. It is not a unique situation in British politics but I am willing to acknowledge that it is not something that should last longer than 2 or so years at most. Ideally even shorter. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

18 Feb 21 6.45pm

Originally posted by DanH

So this kind of unelected bureaucrat is OK is it?

That's a valid point. I guess since the position is primarily one of negotiating then there is a logic to the appointment. And as I wrote earlier, with somebody leading the charge who does not have an eye on a political career. Perhaps offering a far more straight-forward eye on the ball approach especially when dealing with non-elected officials in the EU Commission.

But it is not any kind of long term solution. Our future relationship with the EU is primarily political and as such, should be headed up by a politician who is answerable to the electorate.

It is not a unique situation in British politics but I am willing to acknowledge that it is not something that should last longer than 2 or so years at most. Ideally even shorter.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Eaglecoops CR3 21 Feb 21 2.37pm
Originally posted by Matov That's a valid point. I guess since the position is primarily one of negotiating then there is a logic to the appointment. And as I wrote earlier, with somebody leading the charge who does not have an eye on a political career. Perhaps offering a far more straight-forward eye on the ball approach especially when dealing with non-elected officials in the EU Commission. But it is not any kind of long term solution. Our future relationship with the EU is primarily political and as such, should be headed up by a politician who is answerable to the electorate. It is not a unique situation in British politics but I am willing to acknowledge that it is not something that should last longer than 2 or so years at most. Ideally even shorter. The whole damn thing should have been dealt with by the unelected. We wanted what was best for our country, not something that a politician wants. Leaders of industry should have decided the best way forward in conjunction with the relative government departments. Politicians are there to deal with the fallout of implementing the best way forward for the UK, not negotiate deals that suit political agendas.
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CR3 21 Feb 21 2.37pm

Originally posted by Matov

But it is not any kind of long term solution. Our future relationship with the EU is primarily political and as such, should be headed up by a politician who is answerable to the electorate.

It is not a unique situation in British politics but I am willing to acknowledge that it is not something that should last longer than 2 or so years at most. Ideally even shorter.

The whole damn thing should have been dealt with by the unelected. We wanted what was best for our country, not something that a politician wants. Leaders of industry should have decided the best way forward in conjunction with the relative government departments. Politicians are there to deal with the fallout of implementing the best way forward for the UK, not negotiate deals that suit political agendas.

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The Dolphin 22 Feb 21 9.27am
Some good news post Brexit. [Link]
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22 Feb 21 9.27am

Some good news post Brexit.

[Link]

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 21 9.46am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Some good news post Brexit. [Link] One of the advantages we have in London SE is the vast economies of scale. Back in the early 2000's my bank decided to move to Dublin which was going to be the new financial centre of Europe thanks to a generous EU tax deal. Early on it was fine the Irish have a young financially literate workforce but they don't have a large workforce and very quickly large companies found themselves fighting over the same work pool so it never grew beyond a certain point. We have a huge financial sector in the SE with a huge workforce we also have the added attraction that skilled people EU and non EU are happy to move here to bolster our workforce. I really don't see the EU doing more than cherry picking certain bits of this. One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 22 Feb 21 9.46am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Some good news post Brexit.

[Link]

One of the advantages we have in London SE is the vast economies of scale.

Back in the early 2000's my bank decided to move to Dublin which was going to be the new financial centre of Europe thanks to a generous EU tax deal. Early on it was fine the Irish have a young financially literate workforce but they don't have a large workforce and very quickly large companies found themselves fighting over the same work pool so it never grew beyond a certain point.

We have a huge financial sector in the SE with a huge workforce we also have the added attraction that skilled people EU and non EU are happy to move here to bolster our workforce.

I really don't see the EU doing more than cherry picking certain bits of this.

One more point

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Matov 22 Feb 21 12.15pm
Originally posted by Badger11 We have a huge financial sector in the SE with a huge workforce we also have the added attraction that skilled people EU and non EU are happy to move here to bolster our workforce. I really don't see the EU doing more than cherry picking certain bits of this. Wider issue is that the EU will, just by its very nature, become even more controlling than it is and will look to clamp down on all kinds of financial activity. One of the major downsides of the UK leaving the EU is that we were seen as the champions of business within it. And as one of the heavyweights, a genuine influence. But now? Ireland is the one that will suffer the most. All this Dublin/Brussells love in BS is purely around Brexit optics. The reality is that Dublin has been seen for a long time as a thorn in the EU's side for a variety of reasons, almost all of them linked to the ROI's financial policy such as low corporation tax and so on. And for decades, they effectively stood in the UK's shadow, knowing that we would always back them against the EU. Yes, our financial markets are going to have to change and the EU are being utter w***ers already around this industry but that is a sign of their weakness, not their strength. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

22 Feb 21 12.15pm

Originally posted by Badger11

We have a huge financial sector in the SE with a huge workforce we also have the added attraction that skilled people EU and non EU are happy to move here to bolster our workforce.

I really don't see the EU doing more than cherry picking certain bits of this.

Wider issue is that the EU will, just by its very nature, become even more controlling than it is and will look to clamp down on all kinds of financial activity. One of the major downsides of the UK leaving the EU is that we were seen as the champions of business within it. And as one of the heavyweights, a genuine influence.

But now? Ireland is the one that will suffer the most. All this Dublin/Brussells love in BS is purely around Brexit optics. The reality is that Dublin has been seen for a long time as a thorn in the EU's side for a variety of reasons, almost all of them linked to the ROI's financial policy such as low corporation tax and so on.

And for decades, they effectively stood in the UK's shadow, knowing that we would always back them against the EU.

Yes, our financial markets are going to have to change and the EU are being utter w***ers already around this industry but that is a sign of their weakness, not their strength.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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