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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 21 2.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Interpreting the law is a decision for the Supreme Court if the legislature wants it to mean that then they should have passed legislation to that affect or asked the SC to pass judgment.

I don't think that is true. It is uncharted waters for sure on which opinion is split but from all I have read, it seems that Congress has the final decision on what is a political act and not a matter of law. The suggestions emerging from the SC was that they would have declined to have heard a case if one was brought to them.

The plain fact is though that no referral was made and Congress did rule. Therefore precedent now exists.

The Republicans made that argument in Congress and lost. What surprised me somewhat is that they continued to use it as their basis for failing to convict rather than looking at the actual evidence. McConnell himself believes Trump to be guilty, but still let him off because he disagreed with a decision that went against him. That may yet come back to haunt them.

 


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Since only three Presidents have been impeached and all three been acquitted it doesn’t seem a prospect to be dreaded.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag The garden of England 14 Feb 21 2.49pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I agree that you are likely to be correct. Ted Cruz looks the most probable one.

I also agree on the outcome, although the Democrats could by then be so unpopular that a non-Trumpian candidate might be able to succeed. Any GOP candidate who hammered Trump's behaviour but espoused the politics close to the hearts of traditional Republicans would stand a good chance in my book.

Why would the dems be 'so unpopular' bearing in mind they're the saviours of america. I mean what could possibly go wrong after the 4 years of trump; the tyrant,racist,job making,finance creating,go forward president.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 21 3.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Since only three Presidents have been impeached and all three been acquitted it doesn’t seem a prospect to be dreaded.

Only one though has been impeached twice and the US electorate understand very well why he was not convicted. A 2/3rd majority in a chamber split 50:50 is a high bar when half of those voting are scared sh*tless of the consequences of doing what in their hearts they know to be right.

Whether it is to be "dreaded" is a matter of opinion. Trump seems to enjoy controversy but it certainly has consequences. In this case a stain that can never be erased.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Why would the dems be 'so unpopular' bearing in mind they're the saviours of america. I mean what could possibly go wrong after the 4 years of trump; the tyrant,racist,job making,finance creating,go forward president.

I hope I am wrong but history, my instinct and the fact the people have short memories make me fear I am not.

People always want to attribute blame and when the full impact of the probable economic downturn caused by the pandemic hits home and taxes have to rise then it won't be Trump in the firing line. It will be Biden. The Americans hate taxes even more than we do and ours are surely going to have to rise, at least to some degree. Theirs probably even more so. Especially as they grasp the nettle of climate change.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only one though has been impeached twice and the US electorate understand very well why he was not convicted. A 2/3rd majority in a chamber split 50:50 is a high bar when half of those voting are scared sh*tless of the consequences of doing what in their hearts they know to be right.

Whether it is to be "dreaded" is a matter of opinion. Trump seems to enjoy controversy but it certainly has consequences. In this case a stain that can never be erased.

I'm impressed with your super powers would that be empathic or telepathy?

Us mere mortals just follow Queen Elizabeth's I advice on such matters.

“I have no desire to make windows into men’s souls.”

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 14 Feb 21 4.12pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only one though has been impeached twice and the US electorate understand very well why he was not convicted. A 2/3rd majority in a chamber split 50:50 is a high bar when half of those voting are scared sh*tless of the consequences of doing what in their hearts they know to be right.

Whether it is to be "dreaded" is a matter of opinion. Trump seems to enjoy controversy but it certainly has consequences. In this case a stain that can never be erased.

The consequences for Bill Clinton weren’t too disastrous.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 21 7.37pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I'm impressed with your super powers would that be empathic or telepathy?

Us mere mortals just follow Queen Elizabeth's I advice on such matters.

“I have no desire to make windows into men’s souls.”

Superpowers aren't needed to work out what is going on. It's all pretty well documented and what isn't is plain old common sense. Just listen to McConnell for confirmation.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Feb 21 8.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The consequences for Bill Clinton weren’t too disastrous.

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It certainly wasn't as his popularity improved but there are some very big differences. Clinton was accused of lying under oath and obstruction of justice. However, some folk thought he was just being "economical with the truth" in an effort to spare his wife embarrassment. Some others, I am guessing, rather envied him and some probably admired him.

How much all of that contributed to his and his wife's ability to capitalise on their fame/notoriety or whatever is conjecture but it doesn't seem to have harmed them.

On purely economic terms it hasn't hurt Trump either as he has raised loads of money from his "base" to fight the "steal". Money that is said to run into the 0s of millions. Money he now has access to.

However, comparing Clinton's and Trump's impeachments is like comparing a naughty boy stealing an apple from your garden with the great train robbers. Clinton's impeachment was seen as political opportunism by his Republican opponents. Whilst Trump's base regard his impeachment the same way the circumstances are really very different.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2021 10.40pm)

 


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Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Feb 2021 10.41pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

On the day the Capitol building was invaded by Trump supporters it was reported by media that a police officer had been killed by rioters using a fire extinguisher.

That claim was repeated on here several times and certain posters referenced it several times during their take on those events.

This claim has also been spread all around the world and used to demonise in leftist media. This death was even referred to by Democrats in Trump's impeachment trial.

However, news is emerging that there is zero evidence for this officer having died this way.

No one has been charged with his death, which indeed appears to have been by a stroke. He seems to have sent a text to his brother saying that he'd been pepper strayed but was in good shape, shortly before he collapsed.

We await the medical report, which still hasn't been released.....but it appears highly unlikely that any blunt force trauma happened.

Indeed, no Trump supporters appear to be responsible for any deaths that day, but this hasn't been how it's reported. The one person who was deliberately killed on that day seems to have been unnecessarily shot by law enforcement.

What we had was a lie, circulated around the world by malicious liars and hastily believed and amplified by the uncritical.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Feb 2021 7.05pm)

Word on the street is he was bear sprayed. Pepper spray on roids, if you will.

Whether that is what did him in, or a whack to the noggin, makes no difference.

He died due to injuries suffered during a riot created by your pal, Donald J Trump. If it were not for Trump, he would be alive.

As for no Trump supporter's being responsible for any deaths, that dumb broad who got capped is very responsible, as she was shot climbing through a window having been warned there was a guy standing there with a drawn pistol.

Break into congress, smash up windows, and try to start an insurrection and you run the very real risk of being shot. She should not have been there and thus is responsible for her own demise.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Feb 21 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only one though has been impeached twice and the US electorate understand very well why he was not convicted. A 2/3rd majority in a chamber split 50:50 is a high bar when half of those voting are scared sh*tless of the consequences of doing what in their hearts they know to be right.

Whether it is to be "dreaded" is a matter of opinion. Trump seems to enjoy controversy but it certainly has consequences. In this case a stain that can never be erased.

Ah! Of course. The system is always wrong when you don't get the result you want.
Typical of your usual self serving tripe.

 

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