I have read quite a few books and articles about the Cambridge spy ring and I have never heard anything other than Philby was a red under the bed. Still in the twenties and thirties there was quite a crossover between commies and fascists, Mosley was a Labour MP.

One more point

By their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:16)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

There are honest people, there are dishonest people and the vast majority sit somewhere in-between that spectrum....I suspect more honest than not, unless honesty hurts them.

All of us only have language by which to communicate and so it takes time to figure out who is what. The smarter the fox the harder to catch. Philby is a lesson in this....He used the prejudices of the elite class against themselves.

However, actions speak far far louder than words.

And those are the fruits by which you know someone.

Words are confection, actions are reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 2.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mosley's son ended up funding New Labour......isn't connecting dots for conspiracy theorists WE?

While I have no doubt there is something to what you say in terms of how he felt about the personal cost....I wouldn't be surprised if those concerns were probably self pitying and self absorbed rather than self reflective criticism. You could read an autobiography if you wanted a more accurate insight.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what someone privately thinks or what poor early decisions restricted them. The fact is that Philby freely chose to continue on that path for decades. He literally had decades after that soviet turning before he took up a nationally sensitive position. He could have started again before all that.

I'm not saying you are defending him as you know he was a traitor and responsible for the leaking of many secrets and through his information many anti communist deaths. I expect that He ensured many a death via torture and bullets to the back of the head.....If there is an afterlife I hope he's answering for it. Philby can go and f**k himself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 11.04pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I met Max Mosley's wife once. His stately home isn't too far from Wisbech and I was walking on a footpath across their land and there she was. Nice lady, very polite. More than I think could be said for him.

Why he provided funds for the Labour Party beats me, for he was blue blood to his core. There was something devious there. Didn't Labour distance themselves from him after he attracted all that attention?

We do though agree about Philby.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Yes, once the media got hold of it.

I only know a little about Mosley as I'm more a Powell man...though I do know the 'no more brother wars' quote comes from Mosley.

I looked into his son Max, when something like this came up in another thread and he did help his father in the sixties, however by the late sixties and early seventies he'd abandoned pan Europeanism (which was Mosley's main angle) and went all liberal.

Later on it all got a bit weird....or according to the papers anyway. That's about all I know about it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)