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W12 25 May 22 1.05pm

You can't have a gun yet this is what your government is capable of:

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BlueJay Flag UK 25 May 22 1.08pm

Originally posted by W12

We are talking about guns. That's a ridiculous argument.

Anyway.....

You're so locked into a hyper politicised outlook that you've literally just infered that an individual (active on reddit in fact) killed children who is most definitely both still alive, and didn't kill anybody. It took about a minute to verify this.

Yesterday you said 'I will never forget ignorance that could be have been avoided by a few internet searches. '. You should've taken your own advice then, and this is further confirmation of that. When you accept everything that fits fantasy narratives and nothing that is verifiable you end up in weird places. You're propped up only by those who essentially use you for their own purposes due to aligning 'off the shelf' alt politics. All lapped up narrative. It's really quite sad.


Edited by BlueJay (25 May 2022 1.22pm)

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 25 May 22 1.31pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You really have gotten significantly worse.

On balance the American public want some form of gun control. It’s the lobbyists that hold all the power. Why everything always has to be oversimplified and reduced to the us and them narrative… It’s pretty obvious to a sane, rational and objective person why this is hardly revolutionary, or even controversial.

Steve Kerr puts the argument for gun control across far more passionately and eloquently than most of us ever could.

I'm glad you're on here speaking basic truths. Is it really that hard for people to demonstrate basic sense and balance? Some just appear to have zero capacity for self reflection, placing cartoonishly partisan politics above family, fairness, rationality, everything. Shunning compromise and consideration that comes with normal human interaction, for an online existence based around their 'edgy' uncompromising politics. It's weirdly juvenile. Not that anything 'will' change as result of this shooting, but clearly something should happen and allowing easy ownership of some types of carnage causing guns contributes to horror shows like this.

Edited by BlueJay (25 May 2022 1.37pm)

 

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W12 25 May 22 1.40pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

You're so locked into a hyper politicised outlook that you've literally just infered that an individual (active on reddit in fact) killed children who is most definitely both still alive, and didn't kill anybody. It took about a minute to verify this.

Yesterday you said 'I will never forget ignorance that could be have been avoided by a few internet searches. '. You should've taken your own advice then, and this is further confirmation of that. When you accept everything that fits fantasy narratives and nothing that is verifiable you end up in weird places. You're propped up only by those who essentially use you for their own purposes due to aligning 'off the shelf' alt politics. All lapped up narrative. It's really quite sad.


Edited by BlueJay (25 May 2022 1.22pm)

If it turns out to be fake then I have no problem apologising for that.

You can f*** off with the rest of it though. I generally send links to established sources when I'm making a point on here it's just you never read or watch them.

 

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Originally posted by W12

Yes

Then you are off your f'in head, but we knew that already with your devotion to Putin and your revelling in his atrocities. What a nasty piece of work you are, almost as bats as Steeleye.

Edited by georgenorman (25 May 2022 1.43pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 May 22 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Full transcript, for ref

“I’m not going to talk about basketball. Nothing’s happened with our team in the last six hours. We’re going to start the same way tonight. Any basketball questions don’t matter.

“Since we left, shootaround, 14 children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher. In the last 10 days, we’ve had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo. We’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California. Now, we have children murdered at school.

“When are we going to something? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families that are out there. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough.

“There’s 50 senators, right now, who refuse to vote on HR-8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago. It’s been sitting there for two years. There’s a reason they won’t vote on it: to hold onto power.

“I ask you, Mitch McConnell, and ask all of you Senators who refuse to do anything about the violence, the school shootings, the supermarket shootings, I ask you: ‘are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children, our elderly, and our churchgoers?’ Because that’s what it looks like. That’s what we do every week. I’m fed up, I’ve had enough.

“We’re going to play the game tonight, but I want every person here, every person listening to this to think about your own child or grandchild, mother or father, sister or brother. How would you feel if this happened to you today? We can’t get numb to this. We can’t sit here and just read about it and go well, let’s have a moment of silence. Yay, go Dubs. Come on Mavs, let’s go. That’s whate we’re going to do. We’re going to go play a basketball game.

“Fifty Senators in Washington are going to hold us hostage. Do you realize 90 percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want universal background checks? We’re being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote, despite what we, the American people, want. They won’t vote on it, because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic. I’ve had enough.

I agree with him on background checks on principle, though it's largely cosmetic due to the large number of guns.....If you want a gun enough you'll get one. Still, I do think the idea that the mentally ill can easily buy killing machines is just wrong.

However his language and tone work against his aims.

His cause has been lost within the partisanship and polarization and no amount of moralising will make any difference.

However, as Democratic states hold majorities surely they can implement all the background measures and checks they like within their states....though many of those states have the highest gun crime.

As for Texas, that's for them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2022 1.50pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 25 May 22 1.58pm

Originally posted by W12

If it turns out to be fake then I have no problem apologising for that.

Even the guy who posted it has since admitted that it's b0llocks. Not apologetically though of course, because the gab user really doesn't care who killed these children, only to be able to arbitrarily use it to crowbar in hatred for a group he's not keen on. Deplorable. That's what you're lapping up.

Is it okay if we accuse you of killing children, then later apologise for it? Perhaps in future, don't be so eager to accuse strangers of child murder just because some online idiot has egged you on into doing so and it ticks the usual political boxes that get you excited. Spoonfeeding is supposed to stop at infancy. Oh for the 'alt media intelegencia' and their scholarly take. It's a genuine shame that this box ticking hyper politicised dross routinely smoothers principled non mainstream thinking, in the most farcical and formulaic of ways.


Edited by BlueJay (25 May 2022 1.59pm)

 

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W12 25 May 22 2.03pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Full transcript, for ref

“I’m not going to talk about basketball. Nothing’s happened with our team in the last six hours. We’re going to start the same way tonight. Any basketball questions don’t matter.

“Since we left, shootaround, 14 children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher. In the last 10 days, we’ve had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo. We’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California. Now, we have children murdered at school.

“When are we going to something? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families that are out there. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough.

“There’s 50 senators, right now, who refuse to vote on HR-8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago. It’s been sitting there for two years. There’s a reason they won’t vote on it: to hold onto power.

“I ask you, Mitch McConnell, and ask all of you Senators who refuse to do anything about the violence, the school shootings, the supermarket shootings, I ask you: ‘are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children, our elderly, and our churchgoers?’ Because that’s what it looks like. That’s what we do every week. I’m fed up, I’ve had enough.

“We’re going to play the game tonight, but I want every person here, every person listening to this to think about your own child or grandchild, mother or father, sister or brother. How would you feel if this happened to you today? We can’t get numb to this. We can’t sit here and just read about it and go well, let’s have a moment of silence. Yay, go Dubs. Come on Mavs, let’s go. That’s whate we’re going to do. We’re going to go play a basketball game.

“Fifty Senators in Washington are going to hold us hostage. Do you realize 90 percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want universal background checks? We’re being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote, despite what we, the American people, want. They won’t vote on it, because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic. I’ve had enough.”

Interesting choice of words there. Why point out a non-white ethnicity only where it applies to the victims? The churchgoers shooter was asian (and it was done for ethnic reasons) and the Texas shooter was hispanic. It's clear who they want to take the guns from.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 25 May 22 2.17pm

Originally posted by W12

Interesting choice of words there. Why point out a non-white ethnicity only where it applies to the victims? The churchgoers shooter was asian (and it was done for ethnic reasons) and the Texas shooter was hispanic. It's clear who they want to take the guns from.

I'm not 100% with his choice of words, but if you ignore his central message and instead your take away is that this guy wants to take weapons away from white people, then you're becoming more delusional and skewed by the minute. You might want to see historically who guns were taken away from. In any case, these destractions get away from the fact that there are certainly weapons that there is no reasonable argument for people owning on self defense grounds that have far more capacity to do harm than good.

Steve Kerr's own Father was assasinated by a gunman, so his views come from a place of clear concern and lived experience. Not everyone operates from or is dictated to by basement dweller politics.

Edited by BlueJay (25 May 2022 2.36pm)

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 May 22 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

If it turns out to be fake then I have no problem apologising for that.

You can f*** off with the rest of it though. I generally send links to established sources when I'm making a point on here it's just you never read or watch them.

You should join a gym.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay Flag UK 25 May 22 2.39pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

You should join a gym.

Mad gainz incoming!!

 

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

You should join a gym.

'Pumping iron', always sounded more like a gay singles bar to me.

'Feel the pump' isn't much better.....but it's better.

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