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Originally posted by Badger11

And yet that is what multiple independent reports have said, why do you find this so hard to believe.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Aug 2022 9.13am)

Did they use that actual term?

If so why? It’s not a neutral objective description is it? It’s an emotive epithet which ought not appear in anything genuinely independent.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did they use that actual term?

If so why? It’s not a neutral objective description is it? It’s an emotive epithet which ought not appear in anything genuinely independent.

Arnt your feelings on trump just ‘emotive’ ?

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did they use that actual term?

If so why? It’s not a neutral objective description is it? It’s an emotive epithet which ought not appear in anything genuinely independent.

And why would it be? These reports clearly state that the police the council and social workers failed to protect these children because they were concerned about inter community relations.

Meanwhile your chief concern is what language they used in the report.

I give up,

which funnily enough is exactly what the police the councils and social services did.

 


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I see the lastest big revelation about Trump is of him telling people he knew secrets about Macrons sex life?

LOL.

Macron's partiality for a nice brown bodyguard is an open secret.

This story in particular is an example of what goes on around him.. [Link]

Even the Guardian, who ADORE Macron, can barely conceal what everybody knows was going on. 'Right-hand man' and 'trusted confidant'. LOL.

If this is the supposed secret they are trying to hang Trump on then they better try much harder than that.

Edited by Matov (31 Aug 2022 10.57pm)

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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In a post above, I am accused of being "emotive" about Trump. I am certainly passionately opposed to everything he stands for, but I try to look at it objectively.

In another thread, I am accused of holding conspiracy theories about him. Which only proves to me just how successful he has been in using his "Big Lie" tactics to draw a smoke screen around his activities in the minds of some. I responded with this:-

My postings on Trump are very far from a conspiracy theory. To suggest they are is to attempt to deny what is in plain sight.

For confirmation of that, listen to Biden's speech yesterday on the danger that Trump and the "Maga" movement are to democracy and the threat to America's soul.

There are some things which do not require evidence to be true. They are self-evident. Just as in the declaration of independence, this is one of them. That Trump got away with things, and overcame two impeachments, was only down to the requirements of a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. Not whether he was guilty or not. That's no conspiracy. It's obvious.

As he has continued to flout the law since leaving office, and is no longer protected as the POTUS, the Justice Department can do their work. As I have said many times, be patient.

 


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Am I the only one still interested in what is happening in the USA?

Yesterday Trump held another “rally”. Events that to me have distant echoes of Europe 90 years ago.

He was on the familiar theme of presenting himself and his supporters as victims, that the election was stolen, and investigations into him are witch hunts.

However, he also suggested that the FBI and Justice Department are corrupt and being directed by Biden. That is putting it politely. His actual words were much more abusive.

You don’t need me to tell you what I think of this!

But does anyone here believe any of these things, especially the latest claims?

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In a post above, I am accused of being "emotive" about Trump. I am certainly passionately opposed to everything he stands for, but I try to look at it objectively.

In another thread, I am accused of holding conspiracy theories about him. Which only proves to me just how successful he has been in using his "Big Lie" tactics to draw a smoke screen around his activities in the minds of some. I responded with this:-

My postings on Trump are very far from a conspiracy theory. To suggest they are is to attempt to deny what is in plain sight.

For confirmation of that, listen to Biden's speech yesterday on the danger that Trump and the "Maga" movement are to democracy and the threat to America's soul.

There are some things which do not require evidence to be true. They are self-evident. Just as in the declaration of independence, this is one of them. That Trump got away with things, and overcame two impeachments, was only down to the requirements of a 2/3rds majority in the Senate. Not whether he was guilty or not. That's no conspiracy. It's obvious.

As he has continued to flout the law since leaving office, and is no longer protected as the POTUS, the Justice Department can do their work. As I have said many times, be patient.

So Biden says he is a danger and we must believe it. Meanwhile Trump says Biden is a danger but we mustn't believe it.

Here's a thought perhaps politicians make speeches damming the opposition because well it's what they do.

Check out Tony Blair slagging off Maggie (yes I know she had gone by the time he moved up). If Maggie was so bad how come he never rolled back her policies or maybe it just suited him and every other politician to demonise the other side.

Try taking what politicians say at their party rallies with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Sep 2022 10.17am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

So Biden says he is a danger and we must believe it. Meanwhile Trump says Biden is a danger but we mustn't believe it.

Here's a thought perhaps politicians make speeches damming the opposition because well it's what they do.

Check out Tony Blair slagging off Maggie (yes I know she had gone by the time he moved up). If Maggie was so bad how come he never rolled back her policies or maybe it just suited him and every other politician to demonise the other side.

Try taking what politicians say at their party rallies with a pinch of salt.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Sep 2022 10.17am)

I don't want anyone to take anything that politicians say at face value. I want them to observe what is actually happening and decide for themselves where the truth probably lies.

For me, the difference between what Trump and Biden say is starkly obvious. One is true, the other isn't, and I don't have to be told by either to work that out.

 


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What kind of 'democracy' is it when journalists aren't allowed to question the most powerful leader within the west.

This is not what people voted for and many have buyer's remorse and will get to show that in November.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2022 11.13am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What kind of 'democracy' is it when journalists aren't allowed to question the most powerful leader within the west.

This is not what people voted for and many have buyer's remorse and will get to show that in November.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2022 11.13am)

What a load of bs that is. The right trying to make a story out of nothing.

Biden was always going to be the figurehead for a collegiate government. In stark contrast to Trump who listens to no-one but is manipulated nevertheless.

Public speaking is not Biden’ strength, so agreeing a press conference strategy is not only wise, it’s necessary. That’s all this is. To suggest anything else is imposing Trump standards onto Biden.

Much better to do that than witness Trump insulting journalists who ask questions he doesn’t like or make up policy on the hoof.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What a load of bs that is. The right trying to make a story out of nothing.

Biden was always going to be the figurehead for a collegiate government. In stark contrast to Trump who listens to no-one but is manipulated nevertheless.

Public speaking is not Biden’ strength, so agreeing a press conference strategy is not only wise, it’s necessary. That’s all this is. To suggest anything else is imposing Trump standards onto Biden.

Much better to do that than witness Trump insulting journalists who ask questions he doesn’t like or make up policy on the hoof.

So along with defending Police and institutional failures on what I regard as an industrial scale up and down the country for what amounts to decades you are now defending the biggest US failure as well.

Maybe you're just attracted to failure.....Trump had energy independence and a successful economy before covid. Biden has ruined all of that energy independence and ruined the economy as well....certainly from what it should be.....war also followed as well, which I also predicted.

Anyone who follows your politics should really be connecting the dots by now. Your politics leads to increased misery for the majority.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2022 12.54pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So along with defending Police and institutional failures on what I regard as an industrial scale up and down the country for what amounts to decades you are now defending the biggest US failure as well.

Maybe you're just attracted to failure.....Trump had energy independence and a successful economy before covid. Biden has ruined all of that energy independence and ruined the economy as well....certainly from what it should be.....war also followed as well, which I also predicted.

Anyone who follows your politics should really be connecting the dots by now. Your politics leads to increased misery for the majority.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2022 12.54pm)

More complete and absolute bs. Talk about swallowing the garbage tossed out by the right and accepting it as fact. The Big Lie works on people like you, doesn't it?

Trump didn't have energy independence. The USA did and still does. Neither Trump, nor Biden, have anything to do with it.

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As Macmillan said, "events, dear boy, events". They are what are responsible for these things. Presidents are in the main merely onlookers, riding the wave and taking the credit when they can, and receiving the mud when they cannot. It is on how they respond to the events that we should judge them. Trump trying to deny Covid was serious because he could see the probable consequences for him personally. Biden accepting the flak because he believes doing what is needed for his country matters more than him.

 


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