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 Stirlingsays  26 Mar 23 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Another very strange perception. So I thought I ought to check. When I put it into Google Translate it came back exactly the same. English to English tends to do that. So it seems that this is a lie. From someone who repeatedly accuses others of lying. The truth is that it's just another serving of word soup. Probably obtained from a food bank because the ideas cupboard is empty. It's beyond stupid to ask others to believe you put English into Google translate to find out the English translation. The only logical conclusion is this is a lie. Yet another WE lie from amongst an almost never-ending pathological library of them. Your book of lies probably makes the Lord of the Rings trilogy look like a small essay. As a lie though, it's so ridiculous that it's almost playful. If only this applied to other areas.
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 georgenorman 26 Mar 23 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not in my production. Stirlingsays would play Napoleon perfectly. I would play Snowball. And you could, at a push, play Squealer. You always use someone else's lines! I would see myself more as Benjamin.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 23 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's beyond stupid to ask others to believe you put English into Google translate to find out the English translation. The only logical conclusion is this is a lie. Yet another WE lie from amongst an almost never-ending pathological library of them. Your book of lies probably makes the Lord of the Rings trilogy look like a small essay. As a lie though, it's so ridiculous that it's almost playful. If only this applied to other areas. You said you put it into Google Translate. So I did too. The app selected the language, and presumably because the majority of users in the UK want things translated into their own language, English came back. So your logic, as is usual, inaccurate. 'blah, blah, bs, bs, bs, whaay, whaay, he haw, Zzzzz, mega boomer' is not a language I recognise. It's just word soup.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 23 7.01pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I would see myself more as Benjamin. Works for me.
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| georgenorman 26 Mar 23 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Works for me. You need to try to understand the book.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 23 11.00pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You need to try to understand the book. Maybe you do. That he is a donkey is enough for me. However, for a deeper analysis I came across this_ "As horses are known for their strength, donkeys are known for their stubbornness, and Benjamin stubbornly refuses to become enthusiastic about the rebellion. While all of his comrades delight in the prospect of a new, animal-governed world, Benjamin only remarks, "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey." While this reply puzzles the animals, the reader understands Benjamin's cynical yet not-unfounded point: In the initial moments of the rebellion, Animal Farm may seem a paradise, but in time it may come to be another form of the same tyranny at which they rebelled. Of course, Benjamin is proven right by the novel's end, and the only thing that he knows for sure — "Life would go on as it had always gone on — that is, badly" — proves to be a definitive remark about the animals' lives. Although pessimistic, he is a realist." As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is.
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| georgenorman 27 Mar 23 8.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Maybe you do. That he is a donkey is enough for me. However, for a deeper analysis I came across this_ "As horses are known for their strength, donkeys are known for their stubbornness, and Benjamin stubbornly refuses to become enthusiastic about the rebellion. While all of his comrades delight in the prospect of a new, animal-governed world, Benjamin only remarks, "Donkeys live a long time. None of you has ever seen a dead donkey." While this reply puzzles the animals, the reader understands Benjamin's cynical yet not-unfounded point: In the initial moments of the rebellion, Animal Farm may seem a paradise, but in time it may come to be another form of the same tyranny at which they rebelled. Of course, Benjamin is proven right by the novel's end, and the only thing that he knows for sure — "Life would go on as it had always gone on — that is, badly" — proves to be a definitive remark about the animals' lives. Although pessimistic, he is a realist." As Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian revolution. As we aren't likely to face a revolution anytime soon there's not a lot to be learned from it, amusing though it is. You of course identified with the pig, Snowball, who represents, Trotsky, which speaks volumes. Benjamin is as intelligent as the pigs, he can "read as well as any pig". However, he rarely uses his ability, because he feels there is nothing worth reading. He is a realist, he can see through the lies and propaganda of the pigs and is sceptical of all political ideas. Certainly Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian Revolution. The pigs’ slogans could easily be used by the likes of you today. The book says a good deal about human nature as well as nailing the true nature of so called ‘progressives’.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 23 11.13am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You of course identified with the pig, Snowball, who represents, Trotsky, which speaks volumes. Benjamin is as intelligent as the pigs, he can "read as well as any pig". However, he rarely uses his ability, because he feels there is nothing worth reading. He is a realist, he can see through the lies and propaganda of the pigs and is sceptical of all political ideas. Certainly Animal Farm is a parody of the Russian Revolution. The pigs’ slogans could easily be used by the likes of you today. The book says a good deal about human nature as well as nailing the true nature of so called ‘progressives’. Mostly true, whilst irrelevant. Except the highlighted phrase. It has nothing whatsoever with the "true nature" of progressives", which you have no understanding of at all. You just have prejudice.
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| georgenorman 27 Mar 23 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It has nothing whatsoever with the "true nature" of progressives", which you have no understanding of at all. You just have prejudice. Communists consider themselves the most progressive of progressives.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 23 8.29pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Communists consider themselves the most progressive of progressives. Might be true. I have been to Moscow but the people I met there did not aspire to communist principles at all. Far too interested in themselves and making money. So as I don't think I have ever actually met one it's hard to know. So far as I am concerned progressives are simply those who look forward and not backwards. They are concerned in seeing that our society evolves, removing traits that permit discrimination, whilst not building new ones that discriminate against others. It's also a matter of recognising the world in which we actually live in today is very different to that which existed even only a short time ago. Today, more than ever before, we need international co-operation to overcome our challenges and not to retreat into a belief that we can manage things better alone.
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| georgenorman 27 Mar 23 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Might be true. I have been to Moscow but the people I met there did not aspire to communist principles at all. Far too interested in themselves and making money. So as I don't think I have ever actually met one it's hard to know. So far as I am concerned progressives are simply those who look forward and not backwards. They are concerned in seeing that our society evolves, removing traits that permit discrimination, whilst not building new ones that discriminate against others. It's also a matter of recognising the world in which we actually live in today is very different to that which existed even only a short time ago. Today, more than ever before, we need international co-operation to overcome our challenges and not to retreat into a belief that we can manage things better alone. You can see the future! You should study history, you might learn something, but I doubt it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 23 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You can see the future! You should study history, you might learn something, but I doubt it. Wanting to look forward doesn't mean you can see round every corner. It means you are aware of the corner and not arriving at it with your eyes looking the other way. Of course, you should learn from history, the better to avoid its mistakes. Of which there are many. Some of which are within my living memory, or related to me by my father, but probably not yours, and certainly not within that of many whose views you seem to share. I'll leave it to you to figure out what those lessons might be, although I anticipate very different conclusions to mine.
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