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Originally posted by Belmont

So the disproportionate number of black footballers receiving online racist abuse could cause much stereotyping and resentment fair?

No. Online abuse is committed by a tiny amount of White people in a population of 50 million plus White people.

If you extrapolated the number of Black people committing knife crime to make them comparative to the White population that would be an enormous figure.

You can spin this however you like, but you are still clutching at straws.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No. Online abuse is committed by a tiny amount of White people in a population of 50 million plus White people.

If you extrapolated the number of Black people committing knife crime to make them comparative to the White population that would be an enormous figure.

You can spin this however you like, but you are still clutching at straws.

This is one of the things I find so amusing about the News and Politics section you have no idea how many people are committing online abuse of any kind (if you do please fill me in) and you actually don't know the exact number of people within the black community actually committing knife crime (which you have already admitted) but you state your case as if it's fact even though you can't make an accurate like for like percentage comparison, then you accuse me of spinning. Just because you say it's so doesn't actually make it so

Anyway I think I have derailed this thread long enough after all it is supposed to be about US politics.

I'll look forward to reading some more of 'facts' in the future.

So long.

 

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Originally posted by Belmont

This is one of the things I find so amusing about the News and Politics section you have no idea how many people are committing online abuse of any kind (if you do please fill me in) and you actually don't know the exact number of people within the black community actually committing knife crime (which you have already admitted) but you state your case as if it's fact even though you can't make an accurate like for like percentage comparison, then you accuse me of spinning. Just because you say it's so doesn't actually make it so

Anyway I think I have derailed this thread long enough after all it is supposed to be about US politics.

I'll look forward to reading some more of 'facts' in the future.

So long.

I think I will allow others to decide if a comparison between levels of knife crime in the Black population and online name calling is a fair one.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think I will allow others to decide if a comparison between levels of knife crime in the Black population and online name calling is a fair one.

I was going to leave it there (and I will concede that was very craftily worded) but you have offered absolutely no context,

As well you know I was making parallels about the fairness of stereotyping based on percentages of people perpetrating online abuse and knife crime not directly comparing the seriousness of the two, or had you conveniently forgotten.

Anyway I will leave it now.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 20 Feb 21 10.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Your opinion of the channel in question has no relevance to the video.

It does, because as I said this channel offers a chocolate box take of everything white, and a 'replacement' style suspicion, dislike and dismissal of just about everyone and everything non white. Those people are never going to feature in a positive context in the same way. You yourself say "I'm not seeking the 'positive' within the terms that you endorse no" so essentially admit this. You want people to get teary eyed over 1900 scenes, but have zero interest in seeing positive scenes when other races are involved in a time you're actually living in. You're certainly far more racially geared than most black or non white people I know. You just search out examples to rile yourself up with and legitimatise your attitudes and dislikes.

Quote What I do endorse is that whites simply start seeing themselves as a collective group in the same way all other groups do within society due to the increased disenfranchising ahead: Nothing more, nothing less.

People are free to view their place in society as they wish. As an individual. That autonomy of thought applies down the family line though and it's 2021 rather than 1900 so you have no right or reason to expect that your family will even be 'white' in future anyway. And no moral claim whatsoever to expect it. As such a degree of openness towards others would be more beneficial than the opposite of that.


Quote You describe my relating of facts as 'marginalizing and demonising', whereas I don't agree that's true. Indeed, I believe that is exactly what you do yourself to anyone who opposes your globalised liberalist agenda....calling me a Nazi for example, a highly inaccurate depiction, but nevertheless one you were happy to use to suit your demonisation.

How I feel about the extent that you take this stuff permitting, I'm not sure that I've called anyone a 'Nazi'. It's my understanding that Nazis existed in Nazi Germany. Ironically when the golfer recently lost an advertising deal due to a slur and I stated that "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" you're the one that instantly made a 'Hitler' comparison to me. I meant social consequence by way for those using hateful slurs. Or take the equivalents; these Twitter no-marks calling black footballers n***ers. They do so anonymously to avoid the social cost of their comments from family, friends and those they target. I wouldn't for a second want anyone to lose their job due to their opinions so I very much differ from the 'cancel culture' types, though of course many acting in these ways do so on account that they don't have a job or meaningful social circle anyway.

Quote If my opinions were purely race based, which they aren't then there would be no room for non whites who agreed with my positions: Yet there are.

So your contention falls flat on its face, despite your attempt to include it.

I answered that by noting that you give a self serving free pass to those few in total lockstep with your politics. I'm not sure that a person's presence in the country if they're non white should in any way hinge on what you think of their worldview. That would seem to be an attack on their freedoms (which inevitably matter to you primarily when they relate to what you believe or want). You appear to be on a path towards trading in allegiance of country for one based solely on race. A better balance might be to push for a specific view on immigration, instead of an attitude that routinely writes off so many good people of other races.


Edited by BlueJay (21 Feb 2021 1.21am)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm happy for others to judge the accuracy of your words.

For me they deserve about as much respect as your lazy and inconsiderate posting method.

As I am also happy for people to judge yours, that's fine with me.

I generally respond in that way only to you. Now, why do you think that is? Let me tell you.

Your posts waffle so much that I answer them like that to ensure anyone else who does bother to read them will know which of the meanders is being addressed.

As it's easier for them, as well as being easier for me, I reject your assertion of inconsideration. If you don't like it, tough. You are not obliged to read them.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 20 Feb 21 10.43pm

Whatever the take or slant perhaps we could agree that both carrying a knife, and hounding football players with racial insults are both behaviours that we can do without.

 

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Originally posted by Belmont

I was going to leave it there (and I will concede that was very craftily worded) but you have offered absolutely no context,

As well you know I was making parallels about the fairness of stereotyping based on percentages of people perpetrating online abuse and knife crime not directly comparing the seriousness of the two, or had you conveniently forgotten.

Anyway I will leave it now.

I doubt it.

The context was all my other posts on the subject.
The seriousness of the two is a factor, but the bigger picture is that when you represent only 3% of the population and some of your number do 80% of total violent crime, you are going to get more scrutiny and negativity than if you in the overwhelming majority.

Surely that is simple enough for you to grasp.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

It does, because as I said this channel offers a chocolate box take of everything white, and a 'replacement' style suspicion, dislike and dismissal of just about everyone and everything non white. Those people are never going to feature in a positive context in the same way. You yourself say "I'm not seeking the 'positive' within the terms that you endorse no" so essentially admit this. You want people to get teary eyed over 1900 scenes, but have zero interest in seeing positive scenes when other races are involved in a time you're actually living in. You're certainly far more racially geared than most black or non white people I know. You just search out examples to rile yourself up with and legitimatise your attitudes and dislikes.

Once again, I did not mention the channel when I linked to this video. This video contained no negative references to anyone.

Also, you said that the video wasn't representative, when the reality is that it is. It's what it says whether you like that or not.

I feel perhaps you are poisoning the well by maligning the channel when I focused upon the video. The video speaks for itself. Yes, I do want the British to realise what globalism has done to them and what they are losing and what their children will lose.

In recognising that motive you are correct.

I have little doubt that you dislike the channel as it's against your globalist liberal politics. It's certainly true that it pushes the 'replacement' position which I obviously agree with. However, I regard your description of it as pretty unfair as it's much more about videos for the Europeans/British community rather than criticising others.

As for me, I certainly am aware of significant anti white propaganda in recent years and I'm not afraid to comment on it. Your depiction of me is for you and those like you.

Originally posted by BlueJay

People are free to view their place in society as they wish. As an individual. That autonomy of thought applies down the family line though and it's 2021 rather than 1900 so you have no right or reason to expect that your family will even be 'white' in future anyway. And no moral claim whatsoever to expect it. As such a degree of openness towards others would be more beneficial than the opposite of that.

Just as there are movements in the world geared towards protecting non European ethnicities there are movements for Europeans as well. It just happens that protecting the European ethnicity is attacked by people like you.

No one can affect what occurs beyond their lifespan and ultimately all gene lines will be radically altered and probably even die out, however what the individual can do is make what they consider the best decisions for the probable short term futures while they are here, which is what I intend to do for my boys.

Originally posted by BlueJay

How I feel of the extent that you take this stuff permitting, I'm not sure that I've called anyone a 'Nazi'. It's my understanding that Nazis existed in Nazi Germany. Ironically when the golfer recently lost an advertising deal due to a slur and I stated that "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" you're the one that instantly made a 'Hitler' comparison to me. I meant social consequence by way for those using hateful slurs. Or take the equivalents; these Twitter no-marks calling black footballers n***ers. They do so anonymously to avoid the social cost of their comments from family, friends and those they target. I wouldn't for a second want anyone to lose their job due to their opinions so I very much differ from the 'cancel culture' types, though of course many acting in these ways do so on account that they don't have a job or meaningful social circle anyway.

I tend to concur with you on free speech.....though it has not fared well in the hands of social liberalism and operated much better under past social conservatism.

Anyway you did call me a Nazi whether you remember it or not.

Originally posted by BlueJay

I answered that by noting that you give a self serving free pass to those few in total lockstep with your politics. I'm not sure that a person's presence in the country if they're non white should in any way relate to what you think about their worldview. That would seem to be an attack on their freedoms (which inevitably matter to you primarily when they relate to what you believe or want). You appear to be on a path towards trading in allegiance of country for one based solely on race. A better balance might be to hold a view on immigration going forward, instead of an attitude that routinely rights off so many good people of other races.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Feb 2021 11.04pm)

It's certainly true that I regard European ethnicity as being under direct attack on multiple fronts. It's also true that I believe that enough Europeans should resolve to ensure that they are always the majority within their European homelands or that they will suffer the same disenfranchisement Palestinians do now.

However I also recognise that this is too late now, at least in northern Europe. However, this won't stop me from stating the betrayal of western elites and others that allowed this to happen.

Talk of modern immigration restrictions is a smokescreen as the demographic action required had to happen fifty years ago to have succeeded.....The English essentially meekly sealed their own fate a long time ago by trusting their elites.

Minorities within this country are allowed to organise as an ethnicity in various forms and escape criticism and censor. I view this as a double standard against those whites who also wish to do so.
My contentions are no different to what China do with the Han ethnicity or Japan or even now Eastern Europe...especially Hungary in recent years who have recognised this de-population threat and acted successfully.

However, beyond this protection I certainly not against other races, which is how anyone concerned about Europeans is depicted.

I would also be against Africans no longer being the majority in Africa, or Asians in Asia. My view is represented as controversial yet it is no more so than the Dalai Lama's own commentary a few years back.

As for writing off good people who aren't white, where have I done that? I've always regarded good people positively whatever their genes.


Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2021 8.58am)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 21 Feb 21 1.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's certainly true that I regard European ethnicity as being under direct attack on multiple fronts. It's also true that I believe that enough Europeans should resolve to ensure that they are always the majority within their European homelands or that they will suffer the same disenfranchisement Palestinians do now.

However I also recognise that this is too late now, at least in northern Europe. However, this won't stop me from stating the betrayal of western elites and others that allowed this to happen.

Talk of modern immigration restrictions is a smokescreen as the demographic action required had to happen fifty years ago to have succeeded.....The English essentially meekly sealed their own fate a long time ago by trusting their elites.

Minorities within this country are allowed to organise as an ethnicity in various forms and escape criticism and censor. I view this as a double standard against those whites who also wish to do so.
My contentions are no different to what China do with the Han ethnicity or Japan or even now Eastern Europe...especially Hungary in recent years who have recognised this de-population threat and acted successfully.

However, beyond this protection I certainly not against other races, which is how anyone concerned about Europeans is depicted.

I would also be against Africans no longer being the majority in Africa, or Asians in Asia. My view is represented as controversial yet it is no more so than the Dalai Lama's own commentary a few years back.

As for writing off good people who aren't white, where have I done that? I've always regarded good people positively whatever their genes.


Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Feb 2021 8.58am)

I'm hesitant to swamp the thread as I know these things become ever expanding, and I'm not the best with brevity. I do think you're intentionally seeking to not address or appreciate the point I'm making about the video and channel, but I don't have the energy to rehash. That's fine. You can take whatever tack you wish and of course believe whatever you wish about your own or other races. I would suggest that there are other ways an interacting with and appreciating people of other races than the angles you take - this idea of genetically distancing yourself from them and so on (we can only ever deal with society as it is now). I have one other point to make about your racial genetics interest but I'll make that in the Wilf thread.

Edited by BlueJay (21 Feb 2021 1.33pm)

 

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