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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 12 Jan 23 11.18am Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

If that is the case fair enough on the choice of name, although I don't accept the rationale for changing the name.

* Problem is there are not two oak tress at the entrance to the school. Nearest would appear to be in Deptford Park nearby.

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Edited by HKOwen (12 Jan 2023 10.43am)


OK, if you go to a view that shows the actual Scawen Rd entrance from a spring/summer month there are two trees that look to me like young oaks.
As for changing the name, I would accept that slavery is not the thing that he’s most famous for but naming anything after people is always likely to be problematic at some point and maybe best avoided.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 Jan 23 11.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace


OK, if you go to a view that shows the actual Scawen Rd entrance from a spring/summer month there are two trees that look to me like young oaks.
As for changing the name, I would accept that slavery is not the thing that he’s most famous for but naming anything after people is always likely to be problematic at some point and maybe best avoided.

That’s that sorted then. Just keep giving in to any numpty who gets upset by our history.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 12 Jan 23 12.13pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace


OK, if you go to a view that shows the actual Scawen Rd entrance from a spring/summer month there are two trees that look to me like young oaks.
As for changing the name, I would accept that slavery is not the thing that he’s most famous for but naming anything after people is always likely to be problematic at some point and maybe best avoided.

The school could do with improving nature lessons rather than indoctrination of young children with critical race theory.

The naming of things is tricky I agree, but Drake had a massive connection with Deptford so not random.

 


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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 12 Jan 23 12.51pm Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

The school could do with improving nature lessons rather than indoctrination of young children with critical race theory.

The naming of things is tricky I agree, but Drake had a massive connection with Deptford so not random.

I wouldn't say he had a massive connection to deptford, he was born and raised in Devon and spent most of his time there when not at sea. He just parked the boat in deptford occasionally.

 

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View JRW2's Profile JRW2 Online Flag Dulwich 12 Jan 23 4.32pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

So Drake and his brother weren’t slave traders then?

I've seen a good few irrelevant posts on here over the years but that beats them all. What on earth has Drake being a slave trader got to do with Orwell's assertion that obliterating people's understanding of their history is "the most effective way to destroy" them?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Jan 23 4.40pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Brexit can’t be eradicated from history but some of our most famous people can?
Having said that, who actually gives a flying fig what this idiot thinks?

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 12 Jan 23 4.42pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

So Drake and his brother weren’t slave traders then?

Or maybe you just whooshed yourself…

So should Drake be eradicated from history then? And his other achievements ignored and not praised?

Edited by Spiderman (12 Jan 2023 4.45pm)

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Jan 23 4.47pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Brexit can’t be eradicated from history but some of our most famous people can?
Having said that, who actually gives a flying fig what this idiot thinks?

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Don't worry, Brexit will never be eradicated from history - it will be used as an example and a lesson for many decades to come.

Probably just not in the way leavers would hope.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Jan 23 4.49pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Drake was appalling but its over 500 years ago.

He was a slaver and pirate, the accolades to his heroics are balanced by his motives namely to pillage and plunder anything particularly Spanish that came in his way.

The 'circumnavigation' if it was actually that, was a piracy campaign.

The Spanish Armada is a huge propaganda exercise, the subsequent English Armada led by Drake was routed and Philip of Spain resumed his control of the seas.

It's remarkable that the English Armada does not appear anywhere, certainly not in any educational curriculum I only heard of it a couple of years ago.

I remember as a child standing proudly in front of Drake's statue with my Grandad on Plymouth Hoe.

I do not want false history, I prefer the truth about Drake and of course what he did, particularly as a slaver, is abhorrent but we have to consider the context of the times.

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Don't worry, Brexit will never be eradicated from history - it will be used as an example and a lesson for many decades to come.

Probably just not in the way leavers would hope.

What as an example as to how not to accept a democratic vote? Shame people are willing to eradicate some of our history to suit an agenda

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Drake was appalling but its over 500 years ago.

He was a slaver and pirate, the accolades to his heroics are balanced by his motives namely to pillage and plunder anything particularly Spanish that came in his way.

The 'circumnavigation' if it was actually that, was a piracy campaign.

The Spanish Armada is a huge propaganda exercise, the subsequent English Armada led by Drake was routed and Philip of Spain resumed his control of the seas.

It's remarkable that the English Armada does not appear anywhere, certainly not in any educational curriculum I only heard of it a couple of years ago.

I remember as a child standing proudly in front of Drake's statue with my Grandad on Plymouth Hoe.

I do not want false history, I prefer the truth about Drake and of course what he did, particularly as a slaver, is abhorrent but we have to consider the context of the times.

Perhaps more people should consider “ the context of the times”. I also think the slave trade was abhorrent but it happened, I cannot change that so have no reason to feel guilty. Having researched my family tree there appears no connection to the slave trade.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 12 Jan 23 5.05pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

What as an example as to how not to accept a democratic vote? Shame people are willing to eradicate some of our history to suit an agenda

No, as an example of how to convince a population to vote for something quite clearly self-harming.

It will make a fascinating case study one day when it can be talked about frankly, without tip-toeing around leavers' insecurities.

 

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