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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 01 Feb 21 10.10am
Originally posted by Mwncisee I think the idea of Eddie Howe is better than the reality of Eddie Howe. In reality when he has moved away from his comfort zone at Bournemouth he has struggled (Think he had an ill-fated and short spell at Burnley) and when things we're going against him at Bournemouth he was unable to stop the slide, he seemed bereft of ideas on how to do it. Managers, like players have periods of ascendancy, when Roy goes it will be a case of who is the in form manager we can get at the time. Just because he is young, English and plays `good football` doesn't automatically mean he would be a good manager for us. I don't disagree with any of your points however all managers no matter what level they're performing at have a shelf-life at a football club when things go stale. He did run out of ideas at Bournemouth but that doesn't discount a lot of consistently good work over many years. Plus given the break he's had away from the game I'm sure he's critiqued and analysed where things when wrong and what he could have done differently. This is another trait of a young, ambitious manager - they don't think they know it all and are open to evolving their methods. I'm not saying that I want Howe to be our next manager but I'd certainly be interested in entertaining the possibility of it.
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Originally posted by Mwncisee

I think the idea of Eddie Howe is better than the reality of Eddie Howe. In reality when he has moved away from his comfort zone at Bournemouth he has struggled (Think he had an ill-fated and short spell at Burnley) and when things we're going against him at Bournemouth he was unable to stop the slide, he seemed bereft of ideas on how to do it.

Managers, like players have periods of ascendancy, when Roy goes it will be a case of who is the in form manager we can get at the time.

Just because he is young, English and plays `good football` doesn't automatically mean he would be a good manager for us.

I don't disagree with any of your points however all managers no matter what level they're performing at have a shelf-life at a football club when things go stale. He did run out of ideas at Bournemouth but that doesn't discount a lot of consistently good work over many years. Plus given the break he's had away from the game I'm sure he's critiqued and analysed where things when wrong and what he could have done differently. This is another trait of a young, ambitious manager - they don't think they know it all and are open to evolving their methods.

I'm not saying that I want Howe to be our next manager but I'd certainly be interested in entertaining the possibility of it.

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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Feb 21 10.12am
Originally posted by Willo Managers have troughs as well as peaks and just because they have a trough does not equate to them being "Useless". Alex Fergusion was removed of his duties by St Mirren and Espanyol were not best placed when Pochettino left, the club. Brendan Rodgers left Reading with the club close to the relegation zone after some disappointing results. Edited by Willo (01 Feb 2021 10.02am) Again I never said he was useless I said I don't think he is capable of turning around a relegation team, he also failed at Burnley. Palace are a team that will bounce between mid table and relegation for the foreseeable future. Every season we have been in the PL we have briefly flirted with relegation. It maybe that Howe would better off at a team higher up the league that already plays his style of football e.g. Southmapton. If I was Parish the first requirement for any new manager would be the ability to dig yourself out of trouble. We have already had one disaster in FDB who is now the Dutch manager he was simply the wrong fit for Palace at that time. Never said he was useless. One more point
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Beckenham 01 Feb 21 10.12am

Originally posted by Willo

Managers have troughs as well as peaks and just because they have a trough does not equate to them being "Useless".
Alex Fergusion was removed of his duties by St Mirren and Espanyol were not best placed when Pochettino left, the club.
Brendan Rodgers left Reading with the club close to the relegation zone after some disappointing results.

Edited by Willo (01 Feb 2021 10.02am)

Again I never said he was useless I said I don't think he is capable of turning around a relegation team, he also failed at Burnley.

Palace are a team that will bounce between mid table and relegation for the foreseeable future. Every season we have been in the PL we have briefly flirted with relegation.

It maybe that Howe would better off at a team higher up the league that already plays his style of football e.g. Southmapton.

If I was Parish the first requirement for any new manager would be the ability to dig yourself out of trouble. We have already had one disaster in FDB who is now the Dutch manager he was simply the wrong fit for Palace at that time.

Never said he was useless.

One more point

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Putitout Online Oxford 01 Feb 21 10.16am
Originally posted by Willo I think that any manager who takes his side from 20th position in League 1 to the PL and keeps them there for 5 seasons deserves a great deal of credit. Agreed , but the point I make is , that success developed and run with in the lower divisions, is not the same as maintaining a constant in the Premier league. As proved to be the case with Bournemouth. Eddie, did a brilliant job for Bournemouth, that�s not in dispute by me. So I agree he deserves a great deal of credit. I just don�t believe he could take us forward, based on how he got on in the Premier division.
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Oxford 01 Feb 21 10.16am

Originally posted by Willo

I think that any manager who takes his side from 20th position in League 1 to the PL and keeps them there for 5 seasons deserves a great deal of credit.

Agreed , but the point I make is , that success developed and run with in the lower divisions, is not the same as maintaining a constant in the Premier league. As proved to be the case with Bournemouth. Eddie, did a brilliant job for Bournemouth, that�s not in dispute by me.
So I agree he deserves a great deal of credit. I just don�t believe he could take us forward, based on how he got on in the Premier division.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Feb 21 10.24am
Originally posted by Badger11 Again I never said he was useless I said I don't think he is capable of turning around a relegation team, he also failed at Burnley. Palace are a team that will bounce between mid table and relegation for the foreseeable future. Every season we have been in the PL we have briefly flirted with relegation. It maybe that Howe would better off at a team higher up the league that already plays his style of football e.g. Southmapton. If I was Parish the first requirement for any new manager would be the ability to dig yourself out of trouble. We have already had one disaster in FDB who is now the Dutch manager he was simply the wrong fit for Palace at that time. Never said he was useless. My reference to "Useless" pertained to a comment made by another poster accordingly I wasn't implying you expressed such a sentiment. My sentiments clearly gave this impression and can be filed under the category "Useless" ! Apropos Burnley, Howe had to deal with a family issue whilst he was at the club. He did however sign Ings,Mee and Trippier amongst others. Edited by Willo (01 Feb 2021 10.33am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Feb 21 10.24am

Originally posted by Badger11

Again I never said he was useless I said I don't think he is capable of turning around a relegation team, he also failed at Burnley.

Palace are a team that will bounce between mid table and relegation for the foreseeable future. Every season we have been in the PL we have briefly flirted with relegation.

It maybe that Howe would better off at a team higher up the league that already plays his style of football e.g. Southmapton.

Never said he was useless.

My reference to "Useless" pertained to a comment made by another poster accordingly I wasn't implying you expressed such a sentiment. My sentiments clearly gave this impression and can be filed under the category "Useless" !

Apropos Burnley, Howe had to deal with a family issue whilst he was at the club. He did however sign Ings,Mee and Trippier amongst others.

Edited by Willo (01 Feb 2021 10.33am)

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Runningman Keston 01 Feb 21 10.32am
Originally posted by Putitout Howe , benefited from developing his brand in the lower leagues ,and then riding a wave to the top. It�s was a decent brand and it took a year or two to go sour, but when it did he had no answer. This is the premier league you have to have instant answers if you want to stay in it. For that reason I wouldn�t want Howe to keep us in the league let alone take us forward, unless maybe if the board were prepared to invest much further in the playing staff . But then if that was possible we might attract a number of top managers. People say Roy ,has no plan B , there was no plan at Bournemouth, when it was needed. My feeling is if we are going to change the way we approach success beyond where we are now, we need to contemplate relegation, put Frank Lampard in place, that�s if he would have us , and let him develop a bright outfit based on young talents in much the way he did at Derby. His handling of Chelsea�s young players was first class. Top six says the success has to be instant he couldn�t get that . But let�s face it he was being judged on not hitting the top of the pile. Fat Frank had the pick of some of the finest young talents in the world. Developed by an established first class academy (or bought in from other academies). He would not have this luxury at Palace. We are only now in a position to get decent youngsters into our academy but they will be 5 years or more in the making....
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Keston 01 Feb 21 10.32am

Originally posted by Putitout

Howe , benefited from developing his brand in the lower leagues ,and then riding a wave to the top. It�s was a decent brand and it took a year or two to go sour, but when it did he had no answer.
This is the premier league you have to have instant answers if you want to stay in it.
For that reason I wouldn�t want Howe to keep us in the league let alone take us forward, unless maybe if the board were prepared to invest much further in the playing staff . But then if that was possible we might attract a number of top managers. People say Roy ,has no plan B , there was no plan at Bournemouth, when it was needed.
My feeling is if we are going to change the way we approach success beyond where we are now, we need to contemplate relegation, put Frank Lampard in place, that�s if he would have us , and let him develop a bright outfit based on young talents in much the way he did at Derby. His handling of Chelsea�s young players was first class.
Top six says the success has to be instant he couldn�t get that . But let�s face it he was being judged on not hitting the top of the pile.

Fat Frank had the pick of some of the finest young talents in the world. Developed by an established first class academy (or bought in from other academies). He would not have this luxury at Palace. We are only now in a position to get decent youngsters into our academy but they will be 5 years or more in the making....

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Feb 21 11.18am
Originally posted by beak Ernie if he picks my Premium Bonds. Roy to pick my football team. Eddie Howe to pick up a pundit job.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Feb 21 11.18am

Originally posted by beak

Ernie if he picks my Premium Bonds. Roy to pick my football team. Eddie Howe to pick up a pundit job.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Feb 21 11.26am
Originally posted by Runningman Fat Frank had the pick of some of the finest young talents in the world. Developed by an established first class academy (or bought in from other academies). He would not have this luxury at Palace. We are only now in a position to get decent youngsters into our academy but they will be 5 years or more in the making.... Any manager contemplating coming to Palace will have to accept that this the reality and that he is unlikely to be given oodles of money to 'play with'.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 01 Feb 21 11.26am

Originally posted by Runningman

Any manager contemplating coming to Palace will have to accept that this the reality and that he is unlikely to be given oodles of money to 'play with'.

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ex hibitionist Online Hastings 01 Feb 21 11.47am
Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker Was he dating 2 ton Tess from Teddington ? no, he was dating a widow known as Sue, she lived all alone in Lindley Lane at number 22, it was two ton from Teddington who drove the baker's van you're getting mixed up with: "Now Ernie dragged him from his van and beneath the blazing sun, They stood there face to face, and Ted went for his bun." And as for Ernie Howe maybe the OP meant this bloke: [Link] jury's out on Howe, wouldn't be surprised if it went either way. I'd prefer Pearson, Bilic (now unavailable)or Dyche (won't come) to either Ernie or Frank.
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Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Was he dating 2 ton Tess from Teddington ?

no, he was dating a widow known as Sue, she lived all alone in Lindley Lane at number 22, it was two ton from Teddington who drove the baker's van you're getting mixed up with: "Now Ernie dragged him from his van and beneath the blazing sun, They stood there face to face, and Ted went for his bun." And as for Ernie Howe maybe the OP meant this bloke:

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jury's out on Howe, wouldn't be surprised if it went either way. I'd prefer Pearson, Bilic (now unavailable)or Dyche (won't come) to either Ernie or Frank.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Feb 21 11.54am
Originally posted by Jacey Roy cannot go on indefinitely and has to retire in the not too distant future. Meaning that if the Club fails to plan for this eventuality,it plans to fail. Exactly, we can complain about every manager in the world but Roy isn't going to be here for any more than a season or two. Every change has a risk attached but we are going to have no option other than to consider who will be next. I'm not 100% convinced they have to be English, but I would presume they need to know English football. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Feb 21 11.54am

Originally posted by Jacey

Roy cannot go on indefinitely and has to retire in the not too distant future.
Meaning that if the Club fails to plan for this eventuality,it plans to fail.

Exactly, we can complain about every manager in the world but Roy isn't going to be here for any more than a season or two.
Every change has a risk attached but we are going to have no option other than to consider who will be next.
I'm not 100% convinced they have to be English, but I would presume they need to know English football.

Red and Blue Army!

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EddieMac 01 Feb 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by Mwncisee I think the idea of Eddie Howe is better than the reality of Eddie Howe. In reality when he has moved away from his comfort zone at Bournemouth he has struggled (Think he had an ill-fated and short spell at Burnley) and when things we're going against him at Bournemouth he was unable to stop the slide, he seemed bereft of ideas on how to do it. Managers, like players have periods of ascendancy, when Roy goes it will be a case of who is the in form manager we can get at the time. Just because he is young, English and plays `good football` doesn't automatically mean he would be a good manager for us. Spot on. Playing a type of football with the wrong type players eventually got them relegated.
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01 Feb 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by Mwncisee

Managers, like players have periods of ascendancy, when Roy goes it will be a case of who is the in form manager we can get at the time.

Just because he is young, English and plays `good football` doesn't automatically mean he would be a good manager for us.

Spot on. Playing a type of football with the wrong type players eventually got them relegated.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Feb 21 12.12pm
I should imagine that Eddie Howe will be back in management before Mr Hodgson departs from our club.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Feb 21 12.12pm

I should imagine that Eddie Howe will be back in management before Mr Hodgson departs from our club.

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fish mitten Chelmsford 01 Feb 21 12.25pm
I certainly wouldn't be unhappy with Eddie Howe, should Roy retire at the end of the season. No manager brings cast iron guarantees and they all go through bad patches. I imagine Sam Allardyce will see his never been relegated from the Premier reputation ripped up this year (though I suspect he will bail out before it is rubber stamped) We are Palace, and I can't see us getting a much better manager than Howe, who generally has an exceptionally good record in getting Bournemouth to the top and keeping them there 5 years. I also want to see us get a manager who may and try and get us playing slightly more enjoyable football. Grateful for the win on Saturday, but it wasn't a pleasant watch. Dyche would bring more of the same attrition football and he's at a similar standing club already.
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Chelmsford 01 Feb 21 12.25pm

I certainly wouldn't be unhappy with Eddie Howe, should Roy retire at the end of the season. No manager brings cast iron guarantees and they all go through bad patches. I imagine Sam Allardyce will see his never been relegated from the Premier reputation ripped up this year (though I suspect he will bail out before it is rubber stamped)

We are Palace, and I can't see us getting a much better manager than Howe, who generally has an exceptionally good record in getting Bournemouth to the top and keeping them there 5 years.

I also want to see us get a manager who may and try and get us playing slightly more enjoyable football. Grateful for the win on Saturday, but it wasn't a pleasant watch.

Dyche would bring more of the same attrition football and he's at a similar standing club already.

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