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Putitout Oxford 11 Feb 21 8.38am
The boy has had 60 minutes, in what was little short of a rear guard action. All we have proved is he might not be Lionel Messi, or another Ronaldo, as those two might have impressed as few other debutants would have in a team like that ,in a game like that. No matter how good he actually can to be , he won’t find it easy to prove it with us. Look at Bamford , we wrote him off. It happens, but let’s be honest it wasn’t all his fault was it. Or he wouldn’t be doing the business now.
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Oxford 11 Feb 21 8.38am

The boy has had 60 minutes, in what was little short of a rear guard action. All we have proved is he might not be Lionel Messi, or another Ronaldo, as those two might have impressed as few other debutants would have in a team like that ,in a game like that.
No matter how good he actually can to be , he won’t find it easy to prove it with us. Look at Bamford , we wrote him off. It happens, but let’s be honest it wasn’t all his fault was it. Or he wouldn’t be doing the business now.

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Den1923 11 Feb 21 9.12am
Originally posted by Putitout The boy has had 60 minutes, in what was little short of a rear guard action. All we have proved is he might not be Lionel Messi, or another Ronaldo, as those two might have impressed as few other debutants would have in a team like that ,in a game like that. No matter how good he actually can to be , he won’t find it easy to prove it with us. Look at Bamford , we wrote him off. It happens, but let’s be honest it wasn’t all his fault was it. Or he wouldn’t be doing the business now. yes, although Roy can't be blamed for Bamford, I think that one was down to Pardew, The main problem we have really is our once solid but now very leaky defence and that is primarily down to us continuing with aged players who cannot really hack consecutive games a week apart let alone two a week as under the recent schedule. It all comes back to lack of succession planning and investment in key areas of the team over several transfer windows. I still do not consider we are safe this season as yet bearing in mind how we fell apart at the end of last season.
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11 Feb 21 9.12am

Originally posted by Putitout

yes, although Roy can't be blamed for Bamford, I think that one was down to Pardew, The main problem we have really is our once solid but now very leaky defence and that is primarily down to us continuing with aged players who cannot really hack consecutive games a week apart let alone two a week as under the recent schedule. It all comes back to lack of succession planning and investment in key areas of the team over several transfer windows. I still do not consider we are safe this season as yet bearing in mind how we fell apart at the end of last season.

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Putitout Oxford 11 Feb 21 10.17am
Originally posted by Den1923 yes, although Roy can't be blamed for Bamford, I think that one was down to Pardew, The main problem we have really is our once solid but now very leaky defence and that is primarily down to us continuing with aged players who cannot really hack consecutive games a week apart let alone two a week as under the recent schedule. It all comes back to lack of succession planning and investment in key areas of the team over several transfer windows. I still do not consider we are safe this season as yet bearing in mind how we fell apart at the end of last season. I agree , it is worrying , Mateta, has had some stick here for losing possession leading up to the first goal. He was robbed from behind, it happens to the best. The response of defenders was appalling . It’s not as if our defence is not used to the ball coming back to them in that situation. Wilf , will, and has lost it in those circumstances, Townsend , and Ayew, certainly have , its a fact it’s going to happen. The response is the all important thing, and it was no where near good enough on the night. That can not be laid at Matetas, door, as he never he never actually had the ball under his control..
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Oxford 11 Feb 21 10.17am

Originally posted by Den1923

I agree , it is worrying ,
Mateta, has had some stick here for losing possession leading up to the first goal. He was robbed from behind, it happens to the best. The response of defenders was appalling . It’s not as if our defence is not used to the ball coming back to them in that situation. Wilf , will, and has lost it in those circumstances, Townsend , and Ayew, certainly have , its a fact it’s going to happen. The response is the all important thing, and it was no where near good enough on the night.
That can not be laid at Matetas, door, as he never he never actually had the ball under his control..

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A1969Eagle Redhill 11 Feb 21 2.11pm
As Bamfored stated, Leeds players changed to rugby studs at half time to get some grip on the s*e pitch Originally posted by Steve T** Just as well there are no supporters at Selhurst as by now they may have been a lynching or two. Palace were absolutely dire last night. No game plan and the passing was even worse than usual. Yes the pitch was a disgrace but Leeds seemed to make it work.
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Redhill 11 Feb 21 2.11pm

As Bamfored stated, Leeds players changed to rugby studs at half time to get some grip on the s***e pitch

Originally posted by Steve T

Just as well there are no supporters at Selhurst as by now they may have been a lynching or two. Palace were absolutely dire last night. No game plan and the passing was even worse than usual. Yes the pitch was a disgrace but Leeds seemed to make it work.

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taylors lovechild 11 Feb 21 2.27pm
I don't know why people keep going on about Bamford. Until he went to Leeds nearly everyone thought he wasn't good enough for the PL, not just our club - even Biesla supposedly had his doubts. At Leeds he gets about 3-4 really good chances most games and misses some sitters that we would ridicule him for. He is doing well but I'm still not convinced and I think if they can afford to they will want to upgrade. Our strikers get about one chance a game if they're lucky.
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I don't know why people keep going on about Bamford. Until he went to Leeds nearly everyone thought he wasn't good enough for the PL, not just our club - even Biesla supposedly had his doubts. At Leeds he gets about 3-4 really good chances most games and misses some sitters that we would ridicule him for. He is doing well but I'm still not convinced and I think if they can afford to they will want to upgrade. Our strikers get about one chance a game if they're lucky.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 2.35pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I don't know why people keep going on about Bamford. Until he went to Leeds nearly everyone thought he wasn't good enough for the PL, not just our club - even Biesla supposedly had his doubts. At Leeds he gets about 3-4 really good chances most games and misses some sitters that we would ridicule him for. He is doing well but I'm still not convinced and I think if they can afford to they will want to upgrade. Our strikers get about one chance a game if they're lucky. It has been said about Bielsa that he improves players and Bamford is certainly one that has benefitted from Bielsa's coaching.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 2.35pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

It has been said about Bielsa that he improves players and Bamford is certainly one that has benefitted from Bielsa's coaching.

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CT Charlie 11 Feb 21 7.00pm
The big question is this: In the months ahead, will he prove to be more useful than Benteke, Batshuyi and/or Ayew? Ayew played well last season, but he has lost his touch lately. The other two haven't set a very high bar for Mateta to reach. I think he'll offer us more hope and a few more possibilities than they have.
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11 Feb 21 7.00pm

The big question is this: In the months ahead, will he prove to be more useful than Benteke, Batshuyi and/or Ayew? Ayew played well last season, but he has lost his touch lately. The other two haven't set a very high bar for Mateta to reach. I think he'll offer us more hope and a few more possibilities than they have.

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Putitout Oxford 11 Feb 21 7.09pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild I don't know why people keep going on about Bamford. Until he went to Leeds nearly everyone thought he wasn't good enough for the PL, not just our club - even Biesla supposedly had his doubts. At Leeds he gets about 3-4 really good chances most games and misses some sitters that we would ridicule him for. He is doing well but I'm still not convinced and I think if they can afford to they will want to upgrade. Our strikers get about one chance a game if they're lucky. I think a lot of strikers would like to play in that Leeds team. And probably do as well as Bamford does, the fact is they make real chances , and that alone can boost a reputation . The average punter doesn’t give a toss for the all round efforts of the so called striker if he isn’t scoring the once a game half chance. And that’s the difference between where Bamford stands now, and the situation our strikers have been in for some time now, certainly since Murray, left. It’s all down to real chances, And ours don’t so much miss that many ,as not get them in the first place.
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Oxford 11 Feb 21 7.09pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think a lot of strikers would like to play in that Leeds team. And probably do as well as Bamford does, the fact is they make real chances , and that alone can boost a reputation . The average punter doesn’t give a toss for the all round efforts of the so called striker if he isn’t scoring the once a game half chance.
And that’s the difference between where Bamford stands now, and the situation our strikers have been in for some time now, certainly since Murray, left. It’s all down to real chances, And ours don’t so much miss that many ,as not get them in the first place.

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 11 Feb 21 7.48pm
I thought Bamford's movement was good, and Bielsa would have been wise enough to tell him how to exploit our lack of pace, but he was wasteful.
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I thought Bamford's movement was good, and Bielsa would have been wise enough to tell him how to exploit our lack of pace, but he was wasteful.

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jeeagles 11 Feb 21 8.09pm
Originally posted by Putitout I agree , it is worrying , Mateta, has had some stick here for losing possession leading up to the first goal. He was robbed from behind, it happens to the best. The response of defenders was appalling . It’s not as if our defence is not used to the ball coming back to them in that situation. Wilf , will, and has lost it in those circumstances, Townsend , and Ayew, certainly have , its a fact it’s going to happen. The response is the all important thing, and it was no where near good enough on the night. That can not be laid at Matetas, door, as he never he never actually had the ball under his control.. PVA should have made a run forward to give Mitchell an option to pass the ball out. Instead he sat in his natural left back position and Mitchell played a hospital ball forward to Mateta. At least Roy realised that PVA was completely out of his depth playing on the left wing and half time and subbed him off. Can't blame PVA thought. He was asked to play out of position.
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11 Feb 21 8.09pm

Originally posted by Putitout
I agree , it is worrying ,
Mateta, has had some stick here for losing possession leading up to the first goal. He was robbed from behind, it happens to the best. The response of defenders was appalling . It’s not as if our defence is not used to the ball coming back to them in that situation. Wilf , will, and has lost it in those circumstances, Townsend , and Ayew, certainly have , its a fact it’s going to happen. The response is the all important thing, and it was no where near good enough on the night.
That can not be laid at Matetas, door, as he never he never actually had the ball under his control..

PVA should have made a run forward to give Mitchell an option to pass the ball out. Instead he sat in his natural left back position and Mitchell played a hospital ball forward to Mateta.

At least Roy realised that PVA was completely out of his depth playing on the left wing and half time and subbed him off.

Can't blame PVA thought. He was asked to play out of position.

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sprites Auckland 11 Feb 21 8.13pm
Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid I thought Bamford's movement was good, and Bielsa would have been wise enough to tell him how to exploit our lack of pace, but he was wasteful. Screw bumfluff. Arrogant tit.
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Auckland 11 Feb 21 8.13pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I thought Bamford's movement was good, and Bielsa would have been wise enough to tell him how to exploit our lack of pace, but he was wasteful.

Screw bumfluff. Arrogant tit.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 11 Feb 21 8.57pm
Originally posted by jeeagles PVA should have made a run forward to give Mitchell an option to pass the ball out. Instead he sat in his natural left back position and Mitchell played a hospital ball forward to Mateta. At least Roy realised that PVA was completely out of his depth playing on the left wing and half time and subbed him off. Can't blame PVA thought. He was asked to play out of position. Ayew, Zaha, Riederwald, Eze and Kouyate have all been asked to play out of position and have done reasonably OK. Professional footballers are often asked to play in a different position when subs are made in a game and the formation changes. I was surprised that PvA was unable to adapt.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 11 Feb 21 8.57pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

PVA should have made a run forward to give Mitchell an option to pass the ball out. Instead he sat in his natural left back position and Mitchell played a hospital ball forward to Mateta.

At least Roy realised that PVA was completely out of his depth playing on the left wing and half time and subbed him off.

Can't blame PVA thought. He was asked to play out of position.

Ayew, Zaha, Riederwald, Eze and Kouyate have all been asked to play out of position and have done reasonably OK. Professional footballers are often asked to play in a different position when subs are made in a game and the formation changes.

I was surprised that PvA was unable to adapt.

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