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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 24 Feb 21 3.06pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Too true Willo. Our investors in the US, namely, Harris, Blitzer and the other (unknown to me) investors within their consortia are likely to take a dim view of anyone fiddling with what they probably see is a tried and trusted formula - "give Hodgson another year and some money (perhaps £15-25 million this summer) for some new young players so that we can continue to rake in all that PL money". Wages, should be lower next year even if we retain one or two of the higher earners (I wouldn't be surprised if Benteke gets a new reduced contract - we'll need more than just Mateta, Zaha (if he stays) and Ayew) - I'm assuming we will choose NOT to take up the option on Batshuayi.

I just don't see a major clear out - too risky and too expensive. 2 or 3 new younger players in the key areas of need, a couple of loans and perhaps one of our own youngsters promoted to the first team squad. There is, of course, the question of which players choose not to renew if offered. PvA is the only one that seems to be on his way out.

Time, of course, will tell.

Edited by doombear (24 Feb 2021 2.37pm)

Whether it happens or not is in doubt, but it’s got to be a big risk involved in renewing some of the ageing players contracts.
Cahill, 35 getting older Dan, 34 recently that’s really old for this league, if you want week in week out performance.
Mc,Arthur, I like , but he will be 34 in October, it’s to old , and it’s shows. Sako, 31,. Hennessy, 34. Kouyate 31, but a keep. Benteke s getting on, over thirty.
Some of these might be worth a reduced contract. But if so , it must not block the possibility to bring in some younger talent.
As you say time will tell. But I really hope they bite the bullet on this one.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Feb 21 3.28pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Whether it happens or not is in doubt, but it’s got to be a big risk involved in renewing some of the ageing players contracts.
Cahill, 35 getting older Dan, 34 recently that’s really old for this league, if you want week in week out performance.
Mc,Arthur, I like , but he will be 34 in October, it’s to old , and it’s shows. Sako, 31,. Hennessy, 34. Kouyate 31, but a keep. Benteke s getting on, over thirty.
Some of these might be worth a reduced contract. But if so , it must not block the possibility to bring in some younger talent.
As you say time will tell. But I really hope they bite the bullet on this one.

This is true but you’d think with the improvements in diet and training, not to mention the incentive of increased earnings, that players could go on longer than they used to. Obviously depending on their ability to do so rather than just desire.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 24 Feb 21 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

This is true but you’d think with the improvements in diet and training, not to mention the incentive of increased earnings, that players could go on longer than they used to. Obviously depending on their ability to do so rather than just desire.


The problem is that these fellers are required to deal with absolutely top of the game athletes . Pace alone is incredible in the game, the athleticism has been getting more and more pronounced over the years..
It’s just a fact of life, athletically we diminish from late twenties onward, and that doesn’t take account of old injury. It always has been so. I would have thought as things have got more physically demanding through the always increasing pace of the game, so it is harder for older players to do the job.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Feb 21 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


The problem is that these fellers are required to deal with absolutely top of the game athletes . Pace alone is incredible in the game, the athleticism has been getting more and more pronounced over the years..
It’s just a fact of life, athletically we diminish from late twenties onward, and that doesn’t take account of old injury. It always has been so. I would have thought as things have got more physically demanding through the always increasing pace of the game, so it is harder for older players to do the job.

Yes, that’s also true. Particularly for full backs now they’re also often an attacking option as well. Personally I don’t have a problem with an older centre back provided he can organise the defence properly.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 24 Feb 21 4.22pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yes, that’s also true. Particularly for full backs now they’re also often an attacking option as well. Personally I don’t have a problem with an older centre back provided he can organise the defence properly.

Positional sense and anticipation , help a great deal in particular for defenders.
My worry for Gary, is every year takes its toll. Scot looks jaded, to me it doesn’t get better for old legs
Jagielka, was brilliant a while ago for Sheffield U .when they beat Man U. I think it must have worn him out, as he don’t get out very often. But there is often a performance left .

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 24 Feb 21 4.50pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Positional sense and anticipation , help a great deal in particular for defenders.
My worry for Gary, is every year takes its toll. Scot looks jaded, to me it doesn’t get better for old legs
Jagielka, was brilliant a while ago for Sheffield U .when they beat Man U. I think it must have worn him out, as he don’t get out very often. But there is often a performance left .

And injuries are harder to get over the older you get. Contracts for older players are a balancing act because sometimes they seem to go over the top very quickly.

 

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View eagleman13's Profile eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 24 Feb 21 4.56pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

So, sorry to get this thread back on track, IS Eddie Howe still favourite, or is going to across the border?

 


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View Croydon-Trucker's Profile Croydon-Trucker Flag 24 Feb 21 5.00pm Send a Private Message to Croydon-Trucker Add Croydon-Trucker as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am reminded of the adage "Even a broken clock is right twice a day".

You are indeed right my good friend, But another way to look at is a broken clock is still broken and needs repairing, and is also wrong more than it is right .

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 24 Feb 21 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Anyone wondered why he has been out of work for so long?

 

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View AERO's Profile AERO Flag 24 Feb 21 8.10pm Send a Private Message to AERO Add AERO as a friend

Because he has been tapped up by us to start pre season ?

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 24 Feb 21 9.53pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

I read somewhere that the relegation at Bournemouth had really hit him hard and that he needed a total break from football to process things and recharge.

I think we might be missing a trick if we focus too much on the fact that he took them down without considering
a. The circumstances at the club (injuries and disruption caused by Fraser)
b. It was a close run thing (went down to the wire on the final day)
c. what he achieved at such a small club and the plaudits he gained along the way for the way they played their football.

He seems to be a real student of the game and very analytical so it is reasonable to expect after a period of reflection he will have learned a lot from that experience. Let’s face it keeping them up for as long as he did was no mean feat.
Personally I’d prefer Dyche - but after watching the sh*te we’ve been playing under Roy I honestly wouldn’t be disappointed with Howe. As a longer term appointment he could enable some future planning/investment in the squad - and he has a pretty good track record at identifying promising young players.
But where he has most appeal for me is the style of play - coupled with an eye for potential and excellent coaching abilities (actually developing players and adding value).

I think the likes of Eze would thrive under him - we certainly wouldn’t see Him camped on the edge of our our own bloody box for 85 minutes!
2 years ago when his stock was sky high and he was being linked with Everton I’d have thought him beyond our reach but now the timing might be right.

 

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View sprites's Profile sprites Flag Auckland 24 Feb 21 10.05pm Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Elphers40

I read somewhere that the relegation at Bournemouth had really hit him hard and that he needed a total break from football to process things and recharge.

I think we might be missing a trick if we focus too much on the fact that he took them down without considering
a. The circumstances at the club (injuries and disruption caused by Fraser)
b. It was a close run thing (went down to the wire on the final day)
c. what he achieved at such a small club and the plaudits he gained along the way for the way they played their football.

He seems to be a real student of the game and very analytical so it is reasonable to expect after a period of reflection he will have learned a lot from that experience. Let’s face it keeping them up for as long as he did was no mean feat.
Personally I’d prefer Dyche - but after watching the sh*te we’ve been playing under Roy I honestly wouldn’t be disappointed with Howe. As a longer term appointment he could enable some future planning/investment in the squad - and he has a pretty good track record at identifying promising young players.
But where he has most appeal for me is the style of play - coupled with an eye for potential and excellent coaching abilities (actually developing players and adding value).

I think the likes of Eze would thrive under him - we certainly wouldn’t see Him camped on the edge of our our own bloody box for 85 minutes!
2 years ago when his stock was sky high and he was being linked with Everton I’d have thought him beyond our reach but now the timing might be right.

Great post. Agree entirely. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

 

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