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Rachid Rachid Rachid 12 Apr 21 10.49am
Originally posted by Putitout We can pick on individuals, and do. But the bottom line is our mid-field is just not good enough when pressed in the way it was. And that was going to apply no matter who we put out there. Even with changes in the second half we could have shipped several goals. It’s really not a matter of playing anyone out of position. You are either a top class mid-fielder or you are not, if the opposition set you a problem you solve it, The team yesterday was unchanged , and was set up to contain , but get at Chelsea, when the opportunity arose . None of it mattered because the bottom line was no matter the line up we were not anywhere near good enough. And not for the first time in these circumstances. I think if you listen to Hodgsons comments prior and after the game he is only to well aware things have never been totally satisfactory regarding the ability of this squad, and that the situation is becoming worse. His comments seem to be those of a very nice man , trying to say ,they ain’t,t F—-ing good enough. Agree with this only I think the problem when we're pressed is as much about the lack of craft and youth in our defence as well. Every time we play a side that is youthful and energetic the opposing manager has identified our deficiencies and killed the game early but Saturday was the hardest watch of the season IMO. At one point I honestly thought they might get ten. Roy is quite old fashioned in that he doesn't change things much if we've had decent run as we had going into the Chelsea game. I think Luka and Riedewald are immobile and the latter particularly poor out of possession. We also don't have the benefit of Roy's most trusted in MacArthur who at 33 is still quicker around the pitch than both. I think people are too hung up on formations although my preference would be 433 and I would use Townsend or Schlupp in a 442 rather than Ayew. Roy rightly received praise early in the season for getting more out of Zaha in a 442 after being shackled in a 433 last season. Ongoing I think the club are putting themselves in a corner. Whatever peoples' opinion is of Freedman he hasn't been given much to spend and SP appears to control everything. I would doubt the likes of Dyche would be as gentlemanly in the media about the status quo. The fact that the club are looking elsewhere wont have been lost on Roy and if he were offered another year I don't think it's certain he would accept it.
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Originally posted by Putitout

We can pick on individuals, and do. But the bottom line is our mid-field is just not good enough when pressed in the way it was. And that was going to apply no matter who we put out there. Even with changes in the second half we could have shipped several goals. It’s really not a matter of playing anyone out of position. You are either a top class mid-fielder or you are not, if the opposition set you a problem you solve it, The team yesterday was unchanged , and was set up to contain , but get at Chelsea, when the opportunity arose .
None of it mattered because the bottom line was no matter the line up we were not anywhere near good enough. And not for the first time in these circumstances.
I think if you listen to Hodgsons comments prior and after the game
he is only to well aware things have never been totally satisfactory regarding the ability of this squad, and that the situation is becoming worse. His comments seem to be those of a very nice man , trying to say ,they ain’t,t F—-ing good enough.

Agree with this only I think the problem when we're pressed is as much about the lack of craft and youth in our defence as well. Every time we play a side that is youthful and energetic the opposing manager has identified our deficiencies and killed the game early but Saturday was the hardest watch of the season IMO. At one point I honestly thought they might get ten.

Roy is quite old fashioned in that he doesn't change things much if we've had decent run as we had going into the Chelsea game. I think Luka and Riedewald are immobile and the latter particularly poor out of possession. We also don't have the benefit of Roy's most trusted in MacArthur who at 33 is still quicker around the pitch than both.

I think people are too hung up on formations although my preference would be 433 and I would use Townsend or Schlupp in a 442 rather than Ayew. Roy rightly received praise early in the season for getting more out of Zaha in a 442 after being shackled in a 433 last season.

Ongoing I think the club are putting themselves in a corner. Whatever peoples' opinion is of Freedman he hasn't been given much to spend and SP appears to control everything. I would doubt the likes of Dyche would be as gentlemanly in the media about the status quo.

The fact that the club are looking elsewhere wont have been lost on Roy and if he were offered another year I don't think it's certain he would accept it.

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palace99 New Mills 16 Apr 21 1.26pm
Originally posted by A89M Did I miss something? Eze was LM and Ayew RM, where they've been playing all season. Chelsea pressed from the front resulting in the two receiving the ball in defensive positions but they were definitely not CDMs. If Roy had played 3 CDMs at home and lost, he'd be blamed for not having a go at home. He can't win. Do you think we 'had a go' last week? In the 1st half we just sat back and let Chelski have the ball. Formation is irrelevant sometimes. They played away in Europe only on Wednesday and would not have liked it if we started with a high intensity
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New Mills 16 Apr 21 1.26pm

Originally posted by A89M

Did I miss something? Eze was LM and Ayew RM, where they've been playing all season. Chelsea pressed from the front resulting in the two receiving the ball in defensive positions but they were definitely not CDMs.

If Roy had played 3 CDMs at home and lost, he'd be blamed for not having a go at home. He can't win.

Do you think we 'had a go' last week?

In the 1st half we just sat back and let Chelski have the ball. Formation is irrelevant sometimes.
They played away in Europe only on Wednesday and would not have liked it if we started with a high intensity

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Ali_Campbell New Addington 16 Apr 21 2.52pm
I think when you concede two goals in 10 minutes against a top side, you strategy or game plan will be more conservative. We kept going against liverpool and conceded 7. If we had got through that first 25 minutes, the game would have been different. I agree, the midfield is not good enough. The defence is too old and lacks pace which means we go into games very wary and defensive. We have a lost a 50m right back and replaced him with Joal Ward. Liverpool have lost a 80m cb and look at their problems. I’ve said before, I think given the tools could play better football. I just think the pressure on staying in the league and finishing as high as possible given the clubs finances outways performances.
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New Addington 16 Apr 21 2.52pm

I think when you concede two goals in 10 minutes against a top side, you strategy or game plan will be more conservative. We kept going against liverpool and conceded 7. If we had got through that first 25 minutes, the game would have been different.

I agree, the midfield is not good enough. The defence is too old and lacks pace which means we go into games very wary and defensive. We have a lost a 50m right back and replaced him with Joal Ward. Liverpool have lost a 80m cb and look at their problems.

I’ve said before, I think given the tools could play better football. I just think the pressure on staying in the league and finishing as high as possible given the clubs finances outways performances.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Apr 21 3.08pm
Originally posted by palace99 Do you think we 'had a go' last week? In the 1st half we just sat back and let Chelski have the ball. Formation is irrelevant sometimes. They played away in Europe only on Wednesday and would not have liked it if we started with a high intensity Difficult to '' have a go '' when you have just gifted the opposition 2 goals in the opening 10 minutes. At least we regained some self respect with an improved second half. The point about them playing in Europe in midweek becomes somewhat irrelevant when you look at the players they had on the bench. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 16 Apr 21 3.08pm

Originally posted by palace99

Do you think we 'had a go' last week?

Difficult to '' have a go '' when you have just gifted the opposition 2 goals in the opening 10 minutes.

At least we regained some self respect with an improved second half.

The point about them playing in Europe in midweek becomes somewhat irrelevant when you look at the players they had on the bench.

Old, Ungifted and White

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 16 Apr 21 4.01pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Difficult to '' have a go '' when you have just gifted the opposition 2 goals in the opening 10 minutes. At least we regained some self respect with an improved second half. The point about them playing in Europe in midweek becomes somewhat irrelevant when you look at the players they had on the bench. Along with Citeh's, Chelsea's 2nd XI is probably better than our first X!
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Too far from Selhurst Park 16 Apr 21 4.01pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Difficult to '' have a go '' when you have just gifted the opposition 2 goals in the opening 10 minutes.

At least we regained some self respect with an improved second half.

The point about them playing in Europe in midweek becomes somewhat irrelevant when you look at the players they had on the bench.

Along with Citeh's, Chelsea's 2nd XI is probably better than our first X!

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